hi Ilario, I don't want to fuel this discussion, so I'll just reply briefly and shut up :)
On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Ilario Valdelli <valde...@gmail.com> wrote: As soon a board member has been selected/elected by a stakeholder, the board of trustees cannot dismiss it following the action taken in this specific case. I think that what is clear and should stay untouched is the community's share in the Board. However, I think that for many practical reasons the Board should have the right to expel a single member, irrespective of how they joined this body. I don't think it is viable to have a public discussion and evaluation of what a member did wrong, and then a public vote. I am a community-elected member, and still I believe that the Board should have the right to get rid of me, if they really want to. However, I think that such a procedure: (a) cannot happen often (as not to be abused) (b) should not overall lead to a decrease of community-appointed members' share in the Board. I understand that James have "recognized his errors and admitted that he made mistakes and stepped out of process for a Board member" but at the moment the records of the board's meeting says that James voted against his dismission. Yes, so did I. Recognizing mistakes is different from assessing the consequences. James knew what he did wrong, but he assumed that he could effectively use a second chance. 02.01.2016 12:07 PM "Dariusz Jemielniak" <dar...@alk.edu.pl> napisał(a): > hi Ilario, > > I don't want to fuel this discussion, so I'll just reply briefly and shut > up :) > Hi Dariusz, > governance is not a question mark that someone can mean as he wants. > > In this case the real problem is connected with the stakeholders, and this > is an unsolved real problem of governance. > > As soon a board member has been selected/elected by a stakeholder, the > board of trustees cannot dismiss it following the action taken in this > specific case. > > In this case the problem of un-governance is the identification of the > stakeholders and the real power in the hands of each stakeholder. > > The real problem of "un-governance" is more related with the action of the > board of trustee than with James (at the moment). > > I understand that James have "recognized his errors and admitted that he > made mistakes and stepped out of process for a Board member" but at the > moment the records of the board's meeting says that James voted against his > dismission. > > It means that you are doing a personal statement, but the official one is > that James didn't accepted his dismission during the vote. > > Kind regards > > On 02.01.2016 12:08, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote: > >> >> Yet, when governance is involved, things work out a bit differently. I can >> explain to you how I understand the results of the vote. I myself >> considered voting in favor of the resolution. I also believe that others >> reasonably considered their vote. James himself recognized his errors and >> admitted that he made mistakes and stepped out of process for a Board >> member. Our collective decision was carefully thought through. I also >> understand well the reasons of many Board members who voted as they did. >> >> >> > -- > Ilario Valdelli > Wikimedia CH > Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens > Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre > Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera > Switzerland - 8008 Zürich > Tel: +41764821371 > http://www.wikimedia.ch > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
