Hi Adele Can we have a clear picture of Wikimedia's ‘complicated’ relationship with net neutrality - 1year on from the Washington Post story [1]
Can we also have specific figures on how much of WMF's traffic has been lost / gained from key markets in Latin America and Asia after regulators have blocked zeropaid schemes due to local concerns. WMF's "complicated" stance has also turned off many like-minded support groups who stand for pure net neutrality - and not WMF's or Facebook's ersatz versions [2] Lastly, if the primary aim of Wikipedia Zero is to gain readership, why not simply disable all mobile edits / uploads from these accounts. David [1] http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/11/25/wikipedias-complicated-relationship-with-net-neutrality/ [2] https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/08/01/wikipedia-zero-and-net-neutrality-protecting-the-internet/ On 3/19/16, Adele Vrana <avr...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > Hi Teles, > > As the head of the Wikipedia Zero program, I would like to respond and > provide more context to the important challenges you are bringing up. > > Last year, the Foundation increased our security and privacy by requiring > HTTPS to access all Wikimedia projects. That change has greatly impacted > the Wikipedia Zero program, and most importantly has also allowed editing > (and not only reading) and extended the scope of zero-rated access from > just Wikipedia to all Wikimedia projects. However, our banners do not > reflect this additional zero-rating, but still only appear on Wikipedia. > > In your message you highlight two main concerns. One would be the upload of > copyrighted materials and overall abuse on Commons. The other concern > regards how the editing community should deal with an influx of new good > faith edits and potential editors in Portuguese, with particular challenge > of the extra work this causes for existing community members. > > Regarding Commons, we have experienced abuse from a few subscribers of a > Zero partner in Angola. Typically what happens is that the pirates upload > copyrighted movies to Commons either directly or in a concealed form (like > huge/split PDFs or JPEGs). Then they promote the links on Facebook or a > similar public forum for others to download. When partners become aware of > this they have flagged it to us and we've, in turn, flagged it to Community > Engagement who has worked with editors to try and make sure it's removed. > > We agree that this is not an ideal way to handle this problem, and we would > prefer to catch it much earlier or simply prevent it outright (without > significant limits being placed on good faith editors). Last fall, we had > internal discussions on finding technical solutions for this problem. > However, we discovered that we could not widely identify traffic from zero > rated partners, and that ability was a prerequisite to address this issue. > As of December 2015, the Ops team was able to complete that work. > > With this task completed, our team, in coordination with community > engagement and engineering is working on finding the best approach to > resolve this issue. Do you have suggestions or guidance? We are eager to > examine multiple approaches and this is a great time to open the > discussion. As we evaluate different approaches, we can also update you and > the list here. > > On the editing topic, the primary goal of Wikipedia Zero is to increase > readership. This is measured in potential reach (through subscriber counts) > and pageviews within regions with Wikipedia Zero partnerships. There’s not > enough information to show that Zero can also increase editorship, but it > is something we believe is furthered by expanding reading access. So if > that is what is happening in Angola, we see that is a great thing. > > However, we understand that it’s challenging for our existing editing > community to handle a sudden influx of new editors. This seems to be a > crucial and important conversation for the movement at large to have. I > hope we can figure out a way to turn this moment in Angola into an > opportunity to learn how to deal with new readers and editors. > > Best regards, > Adele > > On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 4:50 PM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> some of the issue stems form the copyright laws of Angola, which are >> really >> interesting to read -- read them in english -- >> https://www.copyright-watch.org/files/Angola.pdf of course I dont expect >> people to know their copyright laws in detail or to have read them but >> they >> do know the principles of it and what they can do >> >> some points of interest >> >> - Non protected works Article 9 section c -- news of the day published >> by the press or broadcast >> - Chapter IV Uses lawful without Authorisation article 29 section b - >> reproduction by photographic process or process analogous to >> photographic >> process by <snip> documentation centres <snip> or teaching >> organisations >> ..... refers to minimum amount of copies necessary, but wither way >> Wikipedia would fall into either of these definitions as permitted to >> reproduce >> - article 30 - is the key here it enables translation into Portuguese >> after 3 years without any real restrictions - hence why the pt.wikis >> are >> having so much of an issue and by extension commons where they >> encourage >> uploading of media >> >> >> Wikipedia zero implementation needs to also consider the implication of >> local laws especially copyright on the projects where the laws are this >> outdated and effectively enable copyright issues then WP Zero could >> provide >> a read only option for IP's or a no upload option, with a rights request >> process on commons >> >> On 19 March 2016 at 00:45, Lucas Teles <telesw...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Hi, everyone. >> > >> > It is being recently reported on Portuguese Wikipedia and Commons (at >> > least) the increasing ammount of improper editing coming from IP >> addresses >> > located in Angola. Some users believe that this may be related with >> > Wikipedia Zero and a partnership between WMF and a cellphone company [1] >> > that allows reading and editing at free cost. >> > >> > One of the first reactions to that is a large range block that was just >> set >> > on Commons in order to prevent these edits [2], as they are being done >> in a >> > way that volunteers can't handle. >> > >> > That seems to be some kind of "second wave" as the first that hit >> > Commons >> > [3] had been already reported months ago [4] and seemed to be controled >> or >> > just paused for a while. On Portuguese Wikipedia, one thing that seemss >> to >> > be clear is that edits are done in good faith. However, they end by >> > being >> > undone as they are incorrect for some reason, whether being pages of >> files >> > about themselves or just test edits. One of the users identified >> > actually >> > confirm [5] that he is editing through Wikipedia Zero. >> > >> > Concerning that more partnerships may occur in future, I think it is >> > time >> > for us to start talking about ways of dealing with that, other than >> > blocking. Sadly, I don't have an answer to that problem, but I tend to >> > believe that some way of mass reaching these potential users should be >> made >> > out. >> > >> > The current process is that editors will be the ones to notice that (as >> > I >> > am not aware of any kind of follow up by WMF on that) and they will try >> to >> > solve their way, which may cause too many collateral damage. >> > >> > I wonder if there is any kind of way to diminish the problem, by using >> any >> > off-wiki strategy. >> > >> > Kind regards. >> > >> > Teles >> > >> > [1] - >> > >> > >> http://www.telecompaper.com/news/movicel-offers-free-access-to-wikipedia--1116012 >> > [2] - >> > >> > >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Steinsplitter&oldid=190598884#Unblock >> > [3] - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Teles/Angola_Facebook_Case >> > [4] - >> > >> > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_Forum&oldid=12835750#Wikipedia_Zero_being_used_to_violate_copyright >> > [5] - >> > >> > >> https://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:Darwinius&diff=prev&oldid=45095087 >> > >> > >> > *Lucas Teles* >> > >> > *+55 (71) 98290 7553Steward at Wikimedia Foundation. 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