It's ordinary countervandalism, honestly I cannot find anything questionable but maybe a missed something.
Vito 2016-03-24 9:04 GMT+01:00 David Emrany <david.emr...@gmail.com>: > Dear Gerard > > Correspondingly, what I find unconscionable for us is that a small > group of Commons editors /admins congregated on the talk page of > 'Teles' and discussed how to secretly spy on these new Zeropaid > enabled editors and monitor their Facebook-basic pages [1], [2]. > > IMO had this been more widely discussed at Commons seeking solutions, > we would not be seeing unfortunate news articles like the one Andreas > Kolbe has linked to > > Regards > > Dave > > [1] > https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATeles&type=revision&diff=168565809&oldid=168565337&uselang=en > > [2] > https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Teles/Angola_Facebook_Case&oldid=168514640 > > On 3/20/16, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hoi, > > Realistically. Wikipedia is very much an enabler. > > > > Your ease to consider "simply" disabling mobile edits or uploads I find > > appalling. People in countries like USA or UK are very fortunate. Nobody > > would ever argue to disable their edits or uploads. At the same time as a > > movement we desperately need more and more diverse involvement. While you > > may say what you want, it is unconscionable for us to do as you suggest > as > > it is fully contrary to what we aim to achieve. > > > > What we are experiencing is a bump in the road. We have to deal with it > but > > throwing the baby with the washing water? REALLY !! > > Thanks, > > GerardM > > > > On 19 March 2016 at 15:03, David Emrany <david.emr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Hi Adele > >> > >> Can we have a clear picture of Wikimedia's ‘complicated’ relationship > >> with net neutrality - 1year on from the Washington Post story [1] > >> > >> Can we also have specific figures on how much of WMF's traffic has > >> been lost / gained from key markets in Latin America and Asia after > >> regulators have blocked zeropaid schemes due to local concerns. > >> > >> WMF's "complicated" stance has also turned off many like-minded > >> support groups who stand for pure net neutrality - and not WMF's or > >> Facebook's ersatz versions [2] > >> > >> Lastly, if the primary aim of Wikipedia Zero is to gain readership, > >> why not simply disable all mobile edits / uploads from these accounts. > >> > >> David > >> > >> [1] > >> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/11/25/wikipedias-complicated-relationship-with-net-neutrality/ > >> > >> [2] > >> > https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/08/01/wikipedia-zero-and-net-neutrality-protecting-the-internet/ > >> > >> On 3/19/16, Adele Vrana <avr...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> > Hi Teles, > >> > > >> > As the head of the Wikipedia Zero program, I would like to respond and > >> > provide more context to the important challenges you are bringing up. > >> > > >> > Last year, the Foundation increased our security and privacy by > >> > requiring > >> > HTTPS to access all Wikimedia projects. That change has greatly > impacted > >> > the Wikipedia Zero program, and most importantly has also allowed > >> > editing > >> > (and not only reading) and extended the scope of zero-rated access > from > >> > just Wikipedia to all Wikimedia projects. However, our banners do not > >> > reflect this additional zero-rating, but still only appear on > Wikipedia. > >> > > >> > In your message you highlight two main concerns. One would be the > upload > >> of > >> > copyrighted materials and overall abuse on Commons. The other concern > >> > regards how the editing community should deal with an influx of new > good > >> > faith edits and potential editors in Portuguese, with particular > >> challenge > >> > of the extra work this causes for existing community members. > >> > > >> > Regarding Commons, we have experienced abuse from a few subscribers > of a > >> > Zero partner in Angola. Typically what happens is that the pirates > >> > upload > >> > copyrighted movies to Commons either directly or in a concealed form > >> (like > >> > huge/split PDFs or JPEGs). Then they promote the links on Facebook or > a > >> > similar public forum for others to download. When partners become > aware > >> of > >> > this they have flagged it to us and we've, in turn, flagged it to > >> Community > >> > Engagement who has worked with editors to try and make sure it's > >> > removed. > >> > > >> > We agree that this is not an ideal way to handle this problem, and we > >> would > >> > prefer to catch it much earlier or simply prevent it outright (without > >> > significant limits being placed on good faith editors). Last fall, we > >> > had > >> > internal discussions on finding technical solutions for this problem. > >> > However, we discovered that we could not widely identify traffic from > >> zero > >> > rated partners, and that ability was a prerequisite to address this > >> issue. > >> > As of December 2015, the Ops team was able to complete that work. > >> > > >> > With this task completed, our team, in coordination with community > >> > engagement and engineering is working on finding the best approach to > >> > resolve this issue. Do you have suggestions or guidance? We are eager > to > >> > examine multiple approaches and this is a great time to open the > >> > discussion. As we evaluate different approaches, we can also update > you > >> and > >> > the list here. > >> > > >> > On the editing topic, the primary goal of Wikipedia Zero is to > increase > >> > readership. This is measured in potential reach (through subscriber > >> counts) > >> > and pageviews within regions with Wikipedia Zero partnerships. > There’s > >> not > >> > enough information to show that Zero can also increase editorship, but > >> > it > >> > is something we believe is furthered by expanding reading access. So > if > >> > that is what is happening in Angola, we see that is a great thing. > >> > > >> > However, we understand that it’s challenging for our existing editing > >> > community to handle a sudden influx of new editors. This seems to be a > >> > crucial and important conversation for the movement at large to have. > I > >> > hope we can figure out a way to turn this moment in Angola into an > >> > opportunity to learn how to deal with new readers and editors. > >> > > >> > Best regards, > >> > Adele > >> > > >> > On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 4:50 PM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> some of the issue stems form the copyright laws of Angola, which are > >> >> really > >> >> interesting to read -- read them in english -- > >> >> https://www.copyright-watch.org/files/Angola.pdf of course I dont > >> expect > >> >> people to know their copyright laws in detail or to have read them > but > >> >> they > >> >> do know the principles of it and what they can do > >> >> > >> >> some points of interest > >> >> > >> >> - Non protected works Article 9 section c -- news of the day > >> published > >> >> by the press or broadcast > >> >> - Chapter IV Uses lawful without Authorisation article 29 section > b > >> >> - > >> >> reproduction by photographic process or process analogous to > >> >> photographic > >> >> process by <snip> documentation centres <snip> or teaching > >> >> organisations > >> >> ..... refers to minimum amount of copies necessary, but wither way > >> >> Wikipedia would fall into either of these definitions as permitted > >> >> to > >> >> reproduce > >> >> - article 30 - is the key here it enables translation into > >> >> Portuguese > >> >> after 3 years without any real restrictions - hence why the > pt.wikis > >> >> are > >> >> having so much of an issue and by extension commons where they > >> >> encourage > >> >> uploading of media > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Wikipedia zero implementation needs to also consider the implication > of > >> >> local laws especially copyright on the projects where the laws are > this > >> >> outdated and effectively enable copyright issues then WP Zero could > >> >> provide > >> >> a read only option for IP's or a no upload option, with a rights > >> request > >> >> process on commons > >> >> > >> >> On 19 March 2016 at 00:45, Lucas Teles <telesw...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > Hi, everyone. > >> >> > > >> >> > It is being recently reported on Portuguese Wikipedia and Commons > (at > >> >> > least) the increasing ammount of improper editing coming from IP > >> >> addresses > >> >> > located in Angola. Some users believe that this may be related with > >> >> > Wikipedia Zero and a partnership between WMF and a cellphone > company > >> [1] > >> >> > that allows reading and editing at free cost. > >> >> > > >> >> > One of the first reactions to that is a large range block that was > >> just > >> >> set > >> >> > on Commons in order to prevent these edits [2], as they are being > >> >> > done > >> >> in a > >> >> > way that volunteers can't handle. > >> >> > > >> >> > That seems to be some kind of "second wave" as the first that hit > >> >> > Commons > >> >> > [3] had been already reported months ago [4] and seemed to be > >> controled > >> >> or > >> >> > just paused for a while. On Portuguese Wikipedia, one thing that > >> seemss > >> >> to > >> >> > be clear is that edits are done in good faith. However, they end by > >> >> > being > >> >> > undone as they are incorrect for some reason, whether being pages > of > >> >> files > >> >> > about themselves or just test edits. One of the users identified > >> >> > actually > >> >> > confirm [5] that he is editing through Wikipedia Zero. > >> >> > > >> >> > Concerning that more partnerships may occur in future, I think it > is > >> >> > time > >> >> > for us to start talking about ways of dealing with that, other than > >> >> > blocking. Sadly, I don't have an answer to that problem, but I tend > >> >> > to > >> >> > believe that some way of mass reaching these potential users should > >> >> > be > >> >> made > >> >> > out. > >> >> > > >> >> > The current process is that editors will be the ones to notice that > >> (as > >> >> > I > >> >> > am not aware of any kind of follow up by WMF on that) and they will > >> try > >> >> to > >> >> > solve their way, which may cause too many collateral damage. > >> >> > > >> >> > I wonder if there is any kind of way to diminish the problem, by > >> >> > using > >> >> any > >> >> > off-wiki strategy. > >> >> > > >> >> > Kind regards. > >> >> > > >> >> > Teles > >> >> > > >> >> > [1] - > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > http://www.telecompaper.com/news/movicel-offers-free-access-to-wikipedia--1116012 > >> >> > [2] - > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Steinsplitter&oldid=190598884#Unblock > >> >> > [3] - > >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Teles/Angola_Facebook_Case > >> >> > [4] - > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_Forum&oldid=12835750#Wikipedia_Zero_being_used_to_violate_copyright > >> >> > [5] - > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > https://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:Darwinius&diff=prev&oldid=45095087 > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > *Lucas Teles* > >> >> > > >> >> > *+55 (71) 98290 7553Steward at Wikimedia Foundation. 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