Anytime a new linguistic group joins Wiki* we should expect a looooooong September <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September> which will sooner or later end. Meanwhile what might become *so* problematic (and then must be stopped asap) is the usage of Commons as a file sharing platform. There's a series of technical countermeasures (stopping truncated files, setting requirements for upload of videos...) which don't imply blocking editing from Zero.
Vito 2016-03-20 17:05 GMT+01:00 Lodewijk <lodew...@effeietsanders.org>: > In a way, it is great to hear that Wikipedia zero is attracting new > editors! That is what I hoped for more than increasing readership. > > The general question on how to stimulate positive edits while discouraging > negative contributions is the tricky part. What we always tell outsiders on > why we can cope with vandalism or simply bad edits is that we made it > easier to identify and revert it than to make them. > > Maybe a superfluous question, but can we still differentiate individual > devices from each other somehow? I can imagine this is a tricky part if > not... > > Besides the obvious downside, are the positive sides also visible? Do we > see more edits on Angola relayed topics? Do you see more positive active > users from Angola? > > Lodewijk > > Op zondag 20 maart 2016 heeft Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > het volgende geschreven: > > > Hoi, > > Realistically. Wikipedia is very much an enabler. > > > > Your ease to consider "simply" disabling mobile edits or uploads I find > > appalling. People in countries like USA or UK are very fortunate. Nobody > > would ever argue to disable their edits or uploads. At the same time as a > > movement we desperately need more and more diverse involvement. While you > > may say what you want, it is unconscionable for us to do as you suggest > as > > it is fully contrary to what we aim to achieve. > > > > What we are experiencing is a bump in the road. We have to deal with it > but > > throwing the baby with the washing water? REALLY !! > > Thanks, > > GerardM > > > > On 19 March 2016 at 15:03, David Emrany <david.emr...@gmail.com > > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > > Hi Adele > > > > > > Can we have a clear picture of Wikimedia's ‘complicated’ relationship > > > with net neutrality - 1year on from the Washington Post story [1] > > > > > > Can we also have specific figures on how much of WMF's traffic has > > > been lost / gained from key markets in Latin America and Asia after > > > regulators have blocked zeropaid schemes due to local concerns. > > > > > > WMF's "complicated" stance has also turned off many like-minded > > > support groups who stand for pure net neutrality - and not WMF's or > > > Facebook's ersatz versions [2] > > > > > > Lastly, if the primary aim of Wikipedia Zero is to gain readership, > > > why not simply disable all mobile edits / uploads from these accounts. > > > > > > David > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/11/25/wikipedias-complicated-relationship-with-net-neutrality/ > > > > > > [2] > > > > > > https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/08/01/wikipedia-zero-and-net-neutrality-protecting-the-internet/ > > > > > > On 3/19/16, Adele Vrana <avr...@wikimedia.org <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > Hi Teles, > > > > > > > > As the head of the Wikipedia Zero program, I would like to respond > and > > > > provide more context to the important challenges you are bringing up. > > > > > > > > Last year, the Foundation increased our security and privacy by > > requiring > > > > HTTPS to access all Wikimedia projects. That change has greatly > > impacted > > > > the Wikipedia Zero program, and most importantly has also allowed > > editing > > > > (and not only reading) and extended the scope of zero-rated access > from > > > > just Wikipedia to all Wikimedia projects. However, our banners do not > > > > reflect this additional zero-rating, but still only appear on > > Wikipedia. > > > > > > > > In your message you highlight two main concerns. One would be the > > upload > > > of > > > > copyrighted materials and overall abuse on Commons. The other concern > > > > regards how the editing community should deal with an influx of new > > good > > > > faith edits and potential editors in Portuguese, with particular > > > challenge > > > > of the extra work this causes for existing community members. > > > > > > > > Regarding Commons, we have experienced abuse from a few subscribers > of > > a > > > > Zero partner in Angola. Typically what happens is that the pirates > > upload > > > > copyrighted movies to Commons either directly or in a concealed form > > > (like > > > > huge/split PDFs or JPEGs). Then they promote the links on Facebook > or a > > > > similar public forum for others to download. When partners become > aware > > > of > > > > this they have flagged it to us and we've, in turn, flagged it to > > > Community > > > > Engagement who has worked with editors to try and make sure it's > > removed. > > > > > > > > We agree that this is not an ideal way to handle this problem, and we > > > would > > > > prefer to catch it much earlier or simply prevent it outright > (without > > > > significant limits being placed on good faith editors). Last fall, we > > had > > > > internal discussions on finding technical solutions for this problem. > > > > However, we discovered that we could not widely identify traffic from > > > zero > > > > rated partners, and that ability was a prerequisite to address this > > > issue. > > > > As of December 2015, the Ops team was able to complete that work. > > > > > > > > With this task completed, our team, in coordination with community > > > > engagement and engineering is working on finding the best approach to > > > > resolve this issue. Do you have suggestions or guidance? We are eager > > to > > > > examine multiple approaches and this is a great time to open the > > > > discussion. As we evaluate different approaches, we can also update > you > > > and > > > > the list here. > > > > > > > > On the editing topic, the primary goal of Wikipedia Zero is to > increase > > > > readership. This is measured in potential reach (through subscriber > > > counts) > > > > and pageviews within regions with Wikipedia Zero partnerships. > There’s > > > not > > > > enough information to show that Zero can also increase editorship, > but > > it > > > > is something we believe is furthered by expanding reading access. So > if > > > > that is what is happening in Angola, we see that is a great thing. > > > > > > > > However, we understand that it’s challenging for our existing editing > > > > community to handle a sudden influx of new editors. This seems to be > a > > > > crucial and important conversation for the movement at large to > have. I > > > > hope we can figure out a way to turn this moment in Angola into an > > > > opportunity to learn how to deal with new readers and editors. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Adele > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 4:50 PM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com > > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > > > > >> some of the issue stems form the copyright laws of Angola, which are > > > >> really > > > >> interesting to read -- read them in english -- > > > >> https://www.copyright-watch.org/files/Angola.pdf of course I dont > > > expect > > > >> people to know their copyright laws in detail or to have read them > but > > > >> they > > > >> do know the principles of it and what they can do > > > >> > > > >> some points of interest > > > >> > > > >> - Non protected works Article 9 section c -- news of the day > > > published > > > >> by the press or broadcast > > > >> - Chapter IV Uses lawful without Authorisation article 29 section > > b - > > > >> reproduction by photographic process or process analogous to > > > >> photographic > > > >> process by <snip> documentation centres <snip> or teaching > > > >> organisations > > > >> ..... refers to minimum amount of copies necessary, but wither > way > > > >> Wikipedia would fall into either of these definitions as > permitted > > to > > > >> reproduce > > > >> - article 30 - is the key here it enables translation into > > Portuguese > > > >> after 3 years without any real restrictions - hence why the > > pt.wikis > > > >> are > > > >> having so much of an issue and by extension commons where they > > > >> encourage > > > >> uploading of media > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Wikipedia zero implementation needs to also consider the implication > > of > > > >> local laws especially copyright on the projects where the laws are > > this > > > >> outdated and effectively enable copyright issues then WP Zero could > > > >> provide > > > >> a read only option for IP's or a no upload option, with a rights > > > request > > > >> process on commons > > > >> > > > >> On 19 March 2016 at 00:45, Lucas Teles <telesw...@gmail.com > > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > Hi, everyone. > > > >> > > > > >> > It is being recently reported on Portuguese Wikipedia and Commons > > (at > > > >> > least) the increasing ammount of improper editing coming from IP > > > >> addresses > > > >> > located in Angola. Some users believe that this may be related > with > > > >> > Wikipedia Zero and a partnership between WMF and a cellphone > company > > > [1] > > > >> > that allows reading and editing at free cost. > > > >> > > > > >> > One of the first reactions to that is a large range block that was > > > just > > > >> set > > > >> > on Commons in order to prevent these edits [2], as they are being > > done > > > >> in a > > > >> > way that volunteers can't handle. > > > >> > > > > >> > That seems to be some kind of "second wave" as the first that hit > > > >> > Commons > > > >> > [3] had been already reported months ago [4] and seemed to be > > > controled > > > >> or > > > >> > just paused for a while. On Portuguese Wikipedia, one thing that > > > seemss > > > >> to > > > >> > be clear is that edits are done in good faith. However, they end > by > > > >> > being > > > >> > undone as they are incorrect for some reason, whether being pages > of > > > >> files > > > >> > about themselves or just test edits. One of the users identified > > > >> > actually > > > >> > confirm [5] that he is editing through Wikipedia Zero. > > > >> > > > > >> > Concerning that more partnerships may occur in future, I think it > is > > > >> > time > > > >> > for us to start talking about ways of dealing with that, other > than > > > >> > blocking. Sadly, I don't have an answer to that problem, but I > tend > > to > > > >> > believe that some way of mass reaching these potential users > should > > be > > > >> made > > > >> > out. > > > >> > > > > >> > The current process is that editors will be the ones to notice > that > > > (as > > > >> > I > > > >> > am not aware of any kind of follow up by WMF on that) and they > will > > > try > > > >> to > > > >> > solve their way, which may cause too many collateral damage. > > > >> > > > > >> > I wonder if there is any kind of way to diminish the problem, by > > using > > > >> any > > > >> > off-wiki strategy. > > > >> > > > > >> > Kind regards. > > > >> > > > > >> > Teles > > > >> > > > > >> > [1] - > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > http://www.telecompaper.com/news/movicel-offers-free-access-to-wikipedia--1116012 > > > >> > [2] - > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Steinsplitter&oldid=190598884#Unblock > > > >> > [3] - > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Teles/Angola_Facebook_Case > > > >> > [4] - > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_Forum&oldid=12835750#Wikipedia_Zero_being_used_to_violate_copyright > > > >> > [5] - > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > https://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:Darwinius&diff=prev&oldid=45095087 > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > *Lucas Teles* > > > >> > > > > >> > *+55 (71) 98290 7553Steward at Wikimedia Foundation. > Administrator * > > > >> > *at Portuguese Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons.*- wikipedista.com > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > > >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > >> > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > > > >> > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > , > > > >> > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> GN. > > > >> President Wikimedia Australia > > > >> WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra > > > >> Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > > > >> Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > , > > > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > *Adele Vrana* > > > > *Strategic Partnerships* > > > > Wikimedia Foundation > > > > +1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6773 > > > > avr...@wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > > > > > > > > *Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share > in > > > the > > > > sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment. Donate. > > > > <https://donate.wikimedia.org/>* > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
