Hello I am with all of those who see this as a positive thing. But perhaps a bit of gentle curation of their initial experience could be the "fix" that is needed rather than just cutting any fledgeling editors off altogether. How about the following ...
reader decides to edit > clicks on edit button > directed to registration > then to a step by step introduction to initial editing with links (simplified pillars, neutrality, info about media) > at end of steps put in touch with a member from either the a) language community (in this case, Wikipedia Portuguese) to access initial editing resources, OR b) put in touch with Wikimedia Chapter or Usergroups (where possible) to request a notification on the next editing/community event. If they still want to edit after that, then all power to them ... but at least we have supported their effort and not cut them off entirely or confused them into wrong actions or trolling. Of course, you will always get people who are trying to be inappropriate, but that can be taken care of on an individual and not a national basis. warmest Isla On 21 March 2016 at 06:10, James Alexander <jalexan...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > Aye, what Vito said. > > For some context the WP0 team reached out to me when the partners started > flagging some of this as well. We've been considering a couple different > options which I think should be wider discussed. Part of that was also a > realization that we needed a way to actually tell if something was coming > from WP0 compared to a non-WP0 user and they implemented technical changes > with ops so that a header is passed through flagging that early this year > allowing for more targeted actions to be taken. Completely figuring out the > extent of the problem has also been though since it seems that even when > Wikipedia Zero is blocked the users most set at getting around restrictions > (which are, of course, the most dangerous in many ways) also use other > options such as Facebook's Internet Basics/FB0 which also apparently gives > free access to our sites. > > Some of the options considered (not yet implemented though I'd be > interested in peoples thoughts on them): > > - Edit filters (targeted specifically to WP0 or otherwise) flagging > abnormally large files when compared to the stated file type or files > coming in through WP0 in general. > - File upload blocks or other filtering (such as file sizes over X or > videos <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T126696>) specifically on WP0 > ranges. > - More technical measures to try and detect abnormal images or PDFs that > hold hidden files (apparently this is actually very difficult). > > We've been talking with multiple groups within Engineering and given the > new information and options are going to continue to do so. I do think that > it is overall a "good" thing that people are trying to edit (originally all > we saw was the bad uploads and organized copyright violations which was > much less of a good thing...) but it's definitely true that we don't want > to overwhelm the current community in such a way that we not only lose > those new editors but old ones as well (or push them back so hard given the > necessity of protecting the wiki that they never come back). I think it > would be really good to think about ways to help deal with that. > > James Alexander > Manager > Trust & Safety > Wikimedia Foundation > (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur > > On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Anytime a new linguistic group joins Wiki* we should expect a looooooong > > September <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September> which will > > sooner or later end. Meanwhile what might become *so* problematic (and > then > > must be stopped asap) is the usage of Commons as a file sharing platform. > > There's a series of technical countermeasures (stopping truncated files, > > setting requirements for upload of videos...) which don't imply blocking > > editing from Zero. > > > > Vito > > > > 2016-03-20 17:05 GMT+01:00 Lodewijk <lodew...@effeietsanders.org>: > > > > > In a way, it is great to hear that Wikipedia zero is attracting new > > > editors! That is what I hoped for more than increasing readership. > > > > > > The general question on how to stimulate positive edits while > > discouraging > > > negative contributions is the tricky part. What we always tell > outsiders > > on > > > why we can cope with vandalism or simply bad edits is that we made it > > > easier to identify and revert it than to make them. > > > > > > Maybe a superfluous question, but can we still differentiate individual > > > devices from each other somehow? I can imagine this is a tricky part if > > > not... > > > > > > Besides the obvious downside, are the positive sides also visible? Do > we > > > see more edits on Angola relayed topics? Do you see more positive > active > > > users from Angola? > > > > > > Lodewijk > > > > > > Op zondag 20 maart 2016 heeft Gerard Meijssen < > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com > > > > > > het volgende geschreven: > > > > > > > Hoi, > > > > Realistically. Wikipedia is very much an enabler. > > > > > > > > Your ease to consider "simply" disabling mobile edits or uploads I > find > > > > appalling. People in countries like USA or UK are very fortunate. > > Nobody > > > > would ever argue to disable their edits or uploads. At the same time > > as a > > > > movement we desperately need more and more diverse involvement. While > > you > > > > may say what you want, it is unconscionable for us to do as you > suggest > > > as > > > > it is fully contrary to what we aim to achieve. > > > > > > > > What we are experiencing is a bump in the road. We have to deal with > it > > > but > > > > throwing the baby with the washing water? REALLY !! > > > > Thanks, > > > > GerardM > > > > > > > > On 19 March 2016 at 15:03, David Emrany <david.emr...@gmail.com > > > > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Adele > > > > > > > > > > Can we have a clear picture of Wikimedia's ‘complicated’ > relationship > > > > > with net neutrality - 1year on from the Washington Post story [1] > > > > > > > > > > Can we also have specific figures on how much of WMF's traffic has > > > > > been lost / gained from key markets in Latin America and Asia after > > > > > regulators have blocked zeropaid schemes due to local concerns. > > > > > > > > > > WMF's "complicated" stance has also turned off many like-minded > > > > > support groups who stand for pure net neutrality - and not WMF's or > > > > > Facebook's ersatz versions [2] > > > > > > > > > > Lastly, if the primary aim of Wikipedia Zero is to gain readership, > > > > > why not simply disable all mobile edits / uploads from these > > accounts. > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/11/25/wikipedias-complicated-relationship-with-net-neutrality/ > > > > > > > > > > [2] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/08/01/wikipedia-zero-and-net-neutrality-protecting-the-internet/ > > > > > > > > > > On 3/19/16, Adele Vrana <avr...@wikimedia.org <javascript:;>> > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Teles, > > > > > > > > > > > > As the head of the Wikipedia Zero program, I would like to > respond > > > and > > > > > > provide more context to the important challenges you are bringing > > up. > > > > > > > > > > > > Last year, the Foundation increased our security and privacy by > > > > requiring > > > > > > HTTPS to access all Wikimedia projects. That change has greatly > > > > impacted > > > > > > the Wikipedia Zero program, and most importantly has also allowed > > > > editing > > > > > > (and not only reading) and extended the scope of zero-rated > access > > > from > > > > > > just Wikipedia to all Wikimedia projects. However, our banners do > > not > > > > > > reflect this additional zero-rating, but still only appear on > > > > Wikipedia. > > > > > > > > > > > > In your message you highlight two main concerns. One would be the > > > > upload > > > > > of > > > > > > copyrighted materials and overall abuse on Commons. The other > > concern > > > > > > regards how the editing community should deal with an influx of > new > > > > good > > > > > > faith edits and potential editors in Portuguese, with particular > > > > > challenge > > > > > > of the extra work this causes for existing community members. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Commons, we have experienced abuse from a few > subscribers > > > of > > > > a > > > > > > Zero partner in Angola. Typically what happens is that the > pirates > > > > upload > > > > > > copyrighted movies to Commons either directly or in a concealed > > form > > > > > (like > > > > > > huge/split PDFs or JPEGs). Then they promote the links on > Facebook > > > or a > > > > > > similar public forum for others to download. When partners become > > > aware > > > > > of > > > > > > this they have flagged it to us and we've, in turn, flagged it to > > > > > Community > > > > > > Engagement who has worked with editors to try and make sure it's > > > > removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > We agree that this is not an ideal way to handle this problem, > and > > we > > > > > would > > > > > > prefer to catch it much earlier or simply prevent it outright > > > (without > > > > > > significant limits being placed on good faith editors). Last > fall, > > we > > > > had > > > > > > internal discussions on finding technical solutions for this > > problem. > > > > > > However, we discovered that we could not widely identify traffic > > from > > > > > zero > > > > > > rated partners, and that ability was a prerequisite to address > this > > > > > issue. > > > > > > As of December 2015, the Ops team was able to complete that work. > > > > > > > > > > > > With this task completed, our team, in coordination with > community > > > > > > engagement and engineering is working on finding the best > approach > > to > > > > > > resolve this issue. Do you have suggestions or guidance? We are > > eager > > > > to > > > > > > examine multiple approaches and this is a great time to open the > > > > > > discussion. As we evaluate different approaches, we can also > update > > > you > > > > > and > > > > > > the list here. > > > > > > > > > > > > On the editing topic, the primary goal of Wikipedia Zero is to > > > increase > > > > > > readership. This is measured in potential reach (through > subscriber > > > > > counts) > > > > > > and pageviews within regions with Wikipedia Zero partnerships. > > > There’s > > > > > not > > > > > > enough information to show that Zero can also increase > editorship, > > > but > > > > it > > > > > > is something we believe is furthered by expanding reading access. > > So > > > if > > > > > > that is what is happening in Angola, we see that is a great > thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, we understand that it’s challenging for our existing > > editing > > > > > > community to handle a sudden influx of new editors. This seems to > > be > > > a > > > > > > crucial and important conversation for the movement at large to > > > have. I > > > > > > hope we can figure out a way to turn this moment in Angola into > an > > > > > > opportunity to learn how to deal with new readers and editors. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Adele > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 4:50 PM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com > > > > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> some of the issue stems form the copyright laws of Angola, which > > are > > > > > >> really > > > > > >> interesting to read -- read them in english -- > > > > > >> https://www.copyright-watch.org/files/Angola.pdf of course I > > dont > > > > > expect > > > > > >> people to know their copyright laws in detail or to have read > them > > > but > > > > > >> they > > > > > >> do know the principles of it and what they can do > > > > > >> > > > > > >> some points of interest > > > > > >> > > > > > >> - Non protected works Article 9 section c -- news of the day > > > > > published > > > > > >> by the press or broadcast > > > > > >> - Chapter IV Uses lawful without Authorisation article 29 > > section > > > > b - > > > > > >> reproduction by photographic process or process analogous to > > > > > >> photographic > > > > > >> process by <snip> documentation centres <snip> or teaching > > > > > >> organisations > > > > > >> ..... refers to minimum amount of copies necessary, but > wither > > > way > > > > > >> Wikipedia would fall into either of these definitions as > > > permitted > > > > to > > > > > >> reproduce > > > > > >> - article 30 - is the key here it enables translation into > > > > Portuguese > > > > > >> after 3 years without any real restrictions - hence why the > > > > pt.wikis > > > > > >> are > > > > > >> having so much of an issue and by extension commons where > they > > > > > >> encourage > > > > > >> uploading of media > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Wikipedia zero implementation needs to also consider the > > implication > > > > of > > > > > >> local laws especially copyright on the projects where the laws > are > > > > this > > > > > >> outdated and effectively enable copyright issues then WP Zero > > could > > > > > >> provide > > > > > >> a read only option for IP's or a no upload option, with a > rights > > > > > request > > > > > >> process on commons > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On 19 March 2016 at 00:45, Lucas Teles <telesw...@gmail.com > > > > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Hi, everyone. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > It is being recently reported on Portuguese Wikipedia and > > Commons > > > > (at > > > > > >> > least) the increasing ammount of improper editing coming from > IP > > > > > >> addresses > > > > > >> > located in Angola. Some users believe that this may be related > > > with > > > > > >> > Wikipedia Zero and a partnership between WMF and a cellphone > > > company > > > > > [1] > > > > > >> > that allows reading and editing at free cost. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > One of the first reactions to that is a large range block that > > was > > > > > just > > > > > >> set > > > > > >> > on Commons in order to prevent these edits [2], as they are > > being > > > > done > > > > > >> in a > > > > > >> > way that volunteers can't handle. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > That seems to be some kind of "second wave" as the first that > > hit > > > > > >> > Commons > > > > > >> > [3] had been already reported months ago [4] and seemed to be > > > > > controled > > > > > >> or > > > > > >> > just paused for a while. On Portuguese Wikipedia, one thing > that > > > > > seemss > > > > > >> to > > > > > >> > be clear is that edits are done in good faith. However, they > end > > > by > > > > > >> > being > > > > > >> > undone as they are incorrect for some reason, whether being > > pages > > > of > > > > > >> files > > > > > >> > about themselves or just test edits. One of the users > identified > > > > > >> > actually > > > > > >> > confirm [5] that he is editing through Wikipedia Zero. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Concerning that more partnerships may occur in future, I think > > it > > > is > > > > > >> > time > > > > > >> > for us to start talking about ways of dealing with that, other > > > than > > > > > >> > blocking. Sadly, I don't have an answer to that problem, but I > > > tend > > > > to > > > > > >> > believe that some way of mass reaching these potential users > > > should > > > > be > > > > > >> made > > > > > >> > out. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > The current process is that editors will be the ones to notice > > > that > > > > > (as > > > > > >> > I > > > > > >> > am not aware of any kind of follow up by WMF on that) and they > > > will > > > > > try > > > > > >> to > > > > > >> > solve their way, which may cause too many collateral damage. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > I wonder if there is any kind of way to diminish the problem, > by > > > > using > > > > > >> any > > > > > >> > off-wiki strategy. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Kind regards. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Teles > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > [1] - > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.telecompaper.com/news/movicel-offers-free-access-to-wikipedia--1116012 > > > > > >> > [2] - > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Steinsplitter&oldid=190598884#Unblock > > > > > >> > [3] - > > > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Teles/Angola_Facebook_Case > > > > > >> > [4] - > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_Forum&oldid=12835750#Wikipedia_Zero_being_used_to_violate_copyright > > > > > >> > [5] - > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:Darwinius&diff=prev&oldid=45095087 > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > *Lucas Teles* > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > *+55 (71) 98290 7553Steward at Wikimedia Foundation. > > > Administrator * > > > > > >> > *at Portuguese Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons.*- > > wikipedista.com > > > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > > > > >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > >> > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > <javascript:;> > > > > > >> > Unsubscribe: > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > > , > > > > > >> > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > <javascript:;> > > > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> -- > > > > > >> GN. > > > > > >> President Wikimedia Australia > > > > > >> WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra > > > > > >> Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > > > > > >> Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > , > > > > > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > > > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > *Adele Vrana* > > > > > > *Strategic Partnerships* > > > > > > Wikimedia Foundation > > > > > > +1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6773 > > > > > > avr...@wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > > > > > > > > > > > > *Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely > share > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > sum of all knowledge. 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