Hi, Angola is not alone. Bangladesh also started the practice. :-P Now there is a good number of Facebook groups and pages to do this kind of piracy related works through Commons. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:NahidSultan/Bangladesh_Facebook_Case
They are even creating manuals in different Facebook groups on how to download movies even if get blocked by admins. * https://www.facebook.com/groups/1683585148563391/permalink/1695000264088546/ * https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1173773462655208&id=1036981463001076 Phabricator link to deal with this - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129845 Regards, Bodhisattwa On 28 March 2016 at 03:30, David Emrany <david.emr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Teles > > I am exercising my right of reply, anticipating that.a list mod may > censor it or delay it till it is infructuous > > You are imposing "modern" 1st world standards on these poor people. > Many I remind you to remember how many 1st world Commons bureaucrats > and admins were doing something similar / identical [1] only a few > years ago at Commons.Do we collectively recall how many years.it took > to ban them and delete their files ? > > So give these Angolans time and respectfully equitably treat them as > unequals when you deal with them. > > Dave > > [1] http://www.britannica.com/topic/Wikipedia > " .. in 2010 it was revealed that there was a cache of pornographic > images, including illegal depictions of sexual acts involving > children, on Wikimedia Commons, a site maintained by the Wikimedia > Foundation that served as a repository of media files for use in all > Wikimedia products." > > On 3/26/16, Lucas Teles <telesw...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Yeah, I am definitely watching users that violate any Wikimedia project > and > > I talk about it with other users publicly. What should be done different? > > Should we let this users go and ignore they are violating important > rules? > > I will be paying atention to suggestions. And trying to do something > > different is the reason I created this thread. I am pretty sure that the > > regular measures won't be enough. I would never blame regular editors > > though. That would be too much easy and counterproductive. > > > > Yeah, Wikipedia Zero is a good thing. That goes without saying. And I am > > not saying that because I expect something in return from the users of > > Wikipedia Zero. I actually don't think many of them will improve wiki as > > they use cellphones to edit and there is not yet an app for easily > editing. > > Other than reading, doing anything else on cellphone is too much painful. > > The best thing of WP Zero is that it *provides* information for too many > > people in need. > > > > Teles > > > > Em quinta-feira, 24 de março de 2016, Gerard Meijssen < > > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> escreveu: > > > >> Hoi, > >> So what are you saying? It is ok for people to do dastardly things and > >> abuse Commons and it is even worse when people at Commons use the > >> environment they know, the Internet, to do some research and expose what > >> they find? > >> > >> Really? And I must be impressed when Mr Kolbe asks attention for it?? > >> Because what! It a Dutch proverb the best sailors are ashore. The same > can > >> be said by Mr Kolbe who is proficient in telling other people what to do > >> and why he objects. That is his prerogative as it is mine to be > >> underwhelmed. > >> > >> Be serious. When issues arise, we may work towards an understanding and > a > >> solution and sometimes hands get dirty. I will always support people who > >> actually make a meaningful difference over people who cannot be faulted. > >> Mistakes are made and when that is a problem go elsewhere. When there > is a > >> meaningful discussion anything is on the cards. So far this is not one. > >> Thanks, > >> GerarddM > >> > >> On 24 March 2016 at 09:04, David Emrany <david.emr...@gmail.com > >> <javascript:;>> wrote: > >> > >> > Dear Gerard > >> > > >> > Correspondingly, what I find unconscionable for us is that a small > >> > group of Commons editors /admins congregated on the talk page of > >> > 'Teles' and discussed how to secretly spy on these new Zeropaid > >> > enabled editors and monitor their Facebook-basic pages [1], [2]. > >> > > >> > IMO had this been more widely discussed at Commons seeking solutions, > >> > we would not be seeing unfortunate news articles like the one Andreas > >> > Kolbe has linked to > >> > > >> > Regards > >> > > >> > Dave > >> > > >> > [1] > >> > > >> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATeles&type=revision&diff=168565809&oldid=168565337&uselang=en > >> > > >> > [2] > >> > > >> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Teles/Angola_Facebook_Case&oldid=168514640 > >> > > >> > On 3/20/16, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com > <javascript:;>> > >> wrote: > >> > > Hoi, > >> > > Realistically. Wikipedia is very much an enabler. > >> > > > >> > > Your ease to consider "simply" disabling mobile edits or uploads I > >> > > find > >> > > appalling. People in countries like USA or UK are very fortunate. > >> Nobody > >> > > would ever argue to disable their edits or uploads. At the same time > >> as a > >> > > movement we desperately need more and more diverse involvement. > While > >> you > >> > > may say what you want, it is unconscionable for us to do as you > >> > > suggest > >> > as > >> > > it is fully contrary to what we aim to achieve. > >> > > > >> > > What we are experiencing is a bump in the road. We have to deal with > >> > > it > >> > but > >> > > throwing the baby with the washing water? REALLY !! > >> > > Thanks, > >> > > GerardM > >> > > > >> > > On 19 March 2016 at 15:03, David Emrany <david.emr...@gmail.com > >> <javascript:;>> wrote: > >> > > > >> > >> Hi Adele > >> > >> > >> > >> Can we have a clear picture of Wikimedia's ‘complicated’ > relationship > >> > >> with net neutrality - 1year on from the Washington Post story [1] > >> > >> > >> > >> Can we also have specific figures on how much of WMF's traffic has > >> > >> been lost / gained from key markets in Latin America and Asia after > >> > >> regulators have blocked zeropaid schemes due to local concerns. > >> > >> > >> > >> WMF's "complicated" stance has also turned off many like-minded > >> > >> support groups who stand for pure net neutrality - and not WMF's or > >> > >> Facebook's ersatz versions [2] > >> > >> > >> > >> Lastly, if the primary aim of Wikipedia Zero is to gain readership, > >> > >> why not simply disable all mobile edits / uploads from these > >> > >> accounts. > >> > >> > >> > >> David > >> > >> > >> > >> [1] > >> > >> > >> > > >> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/11/25/wikipedias-complicated-relationship-with-net-neutrality/ > >> > >> > >> > >> [2] > >> > >> > >> > > >> > https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/08/01/wikipedia-zero-and-net-neutrality-protecting-the-internet/ > >> > >> > >> > >> On 3/19/16, Adele Vrana <avr...@wikimedia.org <javascript:;>> > wrote: > >> > >> > Hi Teles, > >> > >> > > >> > >> > As the head of the Wikipedia Zero program, I would like to > respond > >> and > >> > >> > provide more context to the important challenges you are bringing > >> up. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Last year, the Foundation increased our security and privacy by > >> > >> > requiring > >> > >> > HTTPS to access all Wikimedia projects. That change has greatly > >> > impacted > >> > >> > the Wikipedia Zero program, and most importantly has also allowed > >> > >> > editing > >> > >> > (and not only reading) and extended the scope of zero-rated > access > >> > from > >> > >> > just Wikipedia to all Wikimedia projects. However, our banners do > >> not > >> > >> > reflect this additional zero-rating, but still only appear on > >> > Wikipedia. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > In your message you highlight two main concerns. One would be the > >> > upload > >> > >> of > >> > >> > copyrighted materials and overall abuse on Commons. The other > >> concern > >> > >> > regards how the editing community should deal with an influx of > new > >> > good > >> > >> > faith edits and potential editors in Portuguese, with particular > >> > >> challenge > >> > >> > of the extra work this causes for existing community members. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Regarding Commons, we have experienced abuse from a few > subscribers > >> > of a > >> > >> > Zero partner in Angola. Typically what happens is that the > pirates > >> > >> > upload > >> > >> > copyrighted movies to Commons either directly or in a concealed > >> > >> > form > >> > >> (like > >> > >> > huge/split PDFs or JPEGs). Then they promote the links on > Facebook > >> or > >> > a > >> > >> > similar public forum for others to download. When partners become > >> > aware > >> > >> of > >> > >> > this they have flagged it to us and we've, in turn, flagged it to > >> > >> Community > >> > >> > Engagement who has worked with editors to try and make sure it's > >> > >> > removed. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > We agree that this is not an ideal way to handle this problem, > and > >> we > >> > >> would > >> > >> > prefer to catch it much earlier or simply prevent it outright > >> (without > >> > >> > significant limits being placed on good faith editors). Last > fall, > >> we > >> > >> > had > >> > >> > internal discussions on finding technical solutions for this > >> problem. > >> > >> > However, we discovered that we could not widely identify traffic > >> from > >> > >> zero > >> > >> > rated partners, and that ability was a prerequisite to address > this > >> > >> issue. > >> > >> > As of December 2015, the Ops team was able to complete that work. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > With this task completed, our team, in coordination with > community > >> > >> > engagement and engineering is working on finding the best > approach > >> to > >> > >> > resolve this issue. Do you have suggestions or guidance? We are > >> eager > >> > to > >> > >> > examine multiple approaches and this is a great time to open the > >> > >> > discussion. As we evaluate different approaches, we can also > update > >> > you > >> > >> and > >> > >> > the list here. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > On the editing topic, the primary goal of Wikipedia Zero is to > >> > increase > >> > >> > readership. This is measured in potential reach (through > subscriber > >> > >> counts) > >> > >> > and pageviews within regions with Wikipedia Zero partnerships. > >> > There’s > >> > >> not > >> > >> > enough information to show that Zero can also increase > editorship, > >> but > >> > >> > it > >> > >> > is something we believe is furthered by expanding reading access. > >> > >> > So > >> > if > >> > >> > that is what is happening in Angola, we see that is a great > thing. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > However, we understand that it’s challenging for our existing > >> editing > >> > >> > community to handle a sudden influx of new editors. This seems to > >> be a > >> > >> > crucial and important conversation for the movement at large to > >> have. > >> > I > >> > >> > hope we can figure out a way to turn this moment in Angola into > an > >> > >> > opportunity to learn how to deal with new readers and editors. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Best regards, > >> > >> > Adele > >> > >> > > >> > >> > On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 4:50 PM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com > >> <javascript:;>> > >> > wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> >> some of the issue stems form the copyright laws of Angola, which > >> are > >> > >> >> really > >> > >> >> interesting to read -- read them in english -- > >> > >> >> https://www.copyright-watch.org/files/Angola.pdf of course I > dont > >> > >> expect > >> > >> >> people to know their copyright laws in detail or to have read > them > >> > but > >> > >> >> they > >> > >> >> do know the principles of it and what they can do > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> some points of interest > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> - Non protected works Article 9 section c -- news of the day > >> > >> published > >> > >> >> by the press or broadcast > >> > >> >> - Chapter IV Uses lawful without Authorisation article 29 > >> section > >> > b > >> > >> >> - > >> > >> >> reproduction by photographic process or process analogous to > >> > >> >> photographic > >> > >> >> process by <snip> documentation centres <snip> or teaching > >> > >> >> organisations > >> > >> >> ..... refers to minimum amount of copies necessary, but > wither > >> way > >> > >> >> Wikipedia would fall into either of these definitions as > >> permitted > >> > >> >> to > >> > >> >> reproduce > >> > >> >> - article 30 - is the key here it enables translation into > >> > >> >> Portuguese > >> > >> >> after 3 years without any real restrictions - hence why the > >> > pt.wikis > >> > >> >> are > >> > >> >> having so much of an issue and by extension commons where > they > >> > >> >> encourage > >> > >> >> uploading of media > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> Wikipedia zero implementation needs to also consider the > >> implication > >> > of > >> > >> >> local laws especially copyright on the projects where the laws > are > >> > this > >> > >> >> outdated and effectively enable copyright issues then WP Zero > >> > >> >> could > >> > >> >> provide > >> > >> >> a read only option for IP's or a no upload option, with a > rights > >> > >> request > >> > >> >> process on commons > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> On 19 March 2016 at 00:45, Lucas Teles <telesw...@gmail.com > >> <javascript:;>> wrote: > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi, everyone. > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > It is being recently reported on Portuguese Wikipedia and > >> > >> >> > Commons > >> > (at > >> > >> >> > least) the increasing ammount of improper editing coming from > IP > >> > >> >> addresses > >> > >> >> > located in Angola. Some users believe that this may be related > >> with > >> > >> >> > Wikipedia Zero and a partnership between WMF and a cellphone > >> > company > >> > >> [1] > >> > >> >> > that allows reading and editing at free cost. > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > One of the first reactions to that is a large range block that > >> was > >> > >> just > >> > >> >> set > >> > >> >> > on Commons in order to prevent these edits [2], as they are > >> > >> >> > being > >> > >> >> > done > >> > >> >> in a > >> > >> >> > way that volunteers can't handle. > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > That seems to be some kind of "second wave" as the first that > >> > >> >> > hit > >> > >> >> > Commons > >> > >> >> > [3] had been already reported months ago [4] and seemed to be > >> > >> controled > >> > >> >> or > >> > >> >> > just paused for a while. On Portuguese Wikipedia, one thing > that > >> > >> seemss > >> > >> >> to > >> > >> >> > be clear is that edits are done in good faith. However, they > end > >> by > >> > >> >> > being > >> > >> >> > undone as they are incorrect for some reason, whether being > >> > >> >> > pages > >> > of > >> > >> >> files > >> > >> >> > about themselves or just test edits. One of the users > identified > >> > >> >> > actually > >> > >> >> > confirm [5] that he is editing through Wikipedia Zero. > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > Concerning that more partnerships may occur in future, I think > >> > >> >> > it > >> > is > >> > >> >> > time > >> > >> >> > for us to start talking about ways of dealing with that, other > >> than > >> > >> >> > blocking. Sadly, I don't have an answer to that problem, but I > >> tend > >> > >> >> > to > >> > >> >> > believe that some way of mass reaching these potential users > >> should > >> > >> >> > be > >> > >> >> made > >> > >> >> > out. > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > The current process is that editors will be the ones to notice > >> that > >> > >> (as > >> > >> >> > I > >> > >> >> > am not aware of any kind of follow up by WMF on that) and they > >> will > >> > >> try > >> > >> >> to > >> > >> >> > solve their way, which may cause too many collateral damage. > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > I wonder if there is any kind of way to diminish the problem, > by > >> > >> >> > using > >> > >> >> any > >> > >> >> > off-wiki strategy. > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > Kind regards. > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > Teles > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > [1] - > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > http://www.telecompaper.com/news/movicel-offers-free-access-to-wikipedia--1116012 > >> > >> >> > [2] - > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Steinsplitter&oldid=190598884#Unblock > >> > >> >> > [3] - > >> > >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Teles/Angola_Facebook_Case > >> > >> >> > [4] - > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_Forum&oldid=12835750#Wikipedia_Zero_being_used_to_violate_copyright > >> > >> >> > [5] - > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > https://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:Darwinius&diff=prev&oldid=45095087 > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > *Lucas Teles* > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > *+55 (71) 98290 7553Steward at Wikimedia Foundation. > >> Administrator > >> > * > >> > >> >> > *at Portuguese Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons.*- > >> wikipedista.com > >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > >> >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >> > >> >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > >> > >> >> > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > <javascript:;> > >> > >> >> > Unsubscribe: > >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > >> > >> , > >> > >> >> > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > <javascript:;> > >> > ?subject=unsubscribe> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> -- > >> > >> >> GN. > >> > >> >> President Wikimedia Australia > >> > >> >> WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra > >> > >> >> Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >> > >> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > >> > >> >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > >> > >> >> Unsubscribe: > >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >> > >> >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > >> ?subject=unsubscribe> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > -- > >> > >> > *Adele Vrana* > >> > >> > *Strategic Partnerships* > >> > >> > Wikimedia Foundation > >> > >> > +1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6773 > >> > >> > avr...@wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > *Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely > share > >> in > >> > >> the > >> > >> > sum of all knowledge. 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