I think it would be nice for a more direct input from the WMF over those not following the Terms of use.
I see some potential pitfalls, even in chasing companies that charge for content; - would this draw WMF into a legal editorial position - would it drive them to further hide their activities - what would damage would be done if a court says its ok for a company/individual to control its image even on Wikipedia. we already deal with the EUs right to vanish sometimes its better to not open the can. I think a lot more discussion over the implications and impact is needed unfortunately some of that can only be behind closed doors it going to need community trust(something I think isnt all there at the moment), before asking the WMF legal to pick a fight with anyone. On 2 January 2017 at 08:52, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote: > (: I think that Legal could at least describe in general terms what they > are currently doing and have plans to do in the near future. > > If it turns out that the answers are "we aren't doing much and we aren't > planning to do more", then yes, asking the higher-ups to do something about > this sounds like a good idea. By the way, I think the timing for this > discussion is good, because WMF should be in the early stages of > formulating the 2017-2018 annual plan. > > Happy new year! > > Pine > > > On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Jytdog at Wikipedia <jytdogte...@gmail.com > > > wrote: > > > Pine, thanks for your reply, but Legal will not do anything like this > > unless they are instructed by management. That is why I directed my > > question to the board and management. > > > > I've asked at Jimbo's talk page (bad timing, archived over the holidays, > > will repost) and at Katherine's WP talk page. > > > > Am very interested to hear from the board and/or WMF management on this. > > > > Jytdog > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 10:50:07 -0800 > > > From: Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> > > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>, > > > Wikimedia Legal <le...@wikimedia.org> > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that > > > offer paid editing services > > > Message-ID: > > > <CAF=dyJhC8UqxkOY9FG9diGyobdgbbQaK_ > +M=m9E5Bo3aysPAOw@mail.gmail. > > > com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > > > Forwarding to Legal. I'm aware of the general problem of undisclosed > COI > > > editing, and agree that there should be some enforcement of this, > > > particularly given that WMF wants to use Wikipedia's NPOV and RS > policies > > > as part of WMF's marketing. I also wonder if WMF might be able to > recover > > > the costs of enforcement expenses somehow, perhaps by including a > > statement > > > in the TOS that says that people and their employers who engage in > > certain > > > types of undisclosed COI editing must (1) reimburse WMF for attorney > > fees, > > > court fees, and other related costs of investigations and enforcement, > > and > > > (2) forfeit all revenue from their related activities to WMF. My guess > is > > > that significant financial penalties would be a bigger deterrent than > > > name-and-shame and cease-and-desist letters. > > > > > > Pine > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 03:50:03 -0500 > > > From: Jytdog at Wikipedia <jytdogte...@gmail.com> > > > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer > > > paid editing services > > > Message-ID: > > > <CAAOzcj3cLaJOhvV6LvtqPTtULdj+9Ccanmht7EJQVLv+Lqa=Ww@mail. > > > gmail.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > > > I am interested to learn if WMF management or the board has discussed > > > taking legal action against companies that offer services to edit > > Wikipedia > > > and that have no on-Wiki presence disclosing their edits (in en-WP at > > > least) per the Terms of Use. We all know the companies and their > > websites, > > > where they use the Wikipedia name, etc. I have looked and never found > > > disclosure by any of those companies in en-WP. I have looked and found > > no > > > public evidence of WMF legal engaging with these companies, other than > > > Wiki-PR. > > > > > > Some en-Wiki editors recently identified a long-term paid editor and > > > brought the matter to ANI: thread is here > > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia: > > > Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=757170150# > > > Earflaps_-_accusations_of_being_an_undisclosed_paid_ > > > editor_and_a_sock_puppet>. > > > This brought this whole thing to mind, and is something I have been > > wanting > > > to ask about. > > > > > > Three questions: > > > > > > Has this been discussed, and if so, what has/have the outcomes been? > > > > > > Also, is there budget for WMF legal to take action against such > > companies? > > > > > > If not, would you all please consider that? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- GN. 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