I see Amir's points, which are pretty reasonable, but I fear this would suit languages with a significant presence on the web.
Among them I agree with points 1, 3 and 4 while I'm not sure about #2 "creating basic encyclopedic terminology and style in that language", if we want to preserve a language we shouldn't create a thing. By the way I was wondering my concerns about cultural colonization may be addressed -for wikis which has some contents (let's say at least 1000 articles)- by starting expanding existing articles instead of translating new ones. This would solve the problem of choosing what to translate though would leave problems about the perspective contents are created. Vito 2018-02-27 12:31 GMT+01:00 Amir E. Aharoni <amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il>: > 2018-02-27 13:00 GMT+02:00 mathieu stumpf guntz < > psychosl...@culture-libre.org>: > > > > > > > Le 24/02/2018 à 18:08, Vi to a écrit : > > > >> *finally I think paid translators would hardly turn into stable > >> Wikipedians. > >> > >> I think this misses an important point that is, we don't need the > initial > > translator to turn into a sustaining editor, we need the article to > evolve > > with call to action incentives. And articles which don't exist at all – > > even as a stub – or don't meet an audience of potential contributors will > > never catch such an evolving cycle. > > > This is one of the issues with what I alluded to in my earlier email in > this thread: the privilege that the "big" languages have. It's the > privilege of already having other encyclopedias, textbooks, public > education, etc., in this language. A lot of languages don't have these > things. When you speak a language that has had these things before > Wikipedia came along, it's hard to perceive the world like a person who > speaks a language that doesn't perceives it. > > If you define the purpose of paying somebody to translate as "turning the > paid translator" into a sustaining editor, then this is indeed likely to > fail. > > But if you define the purpose differently, it may succeed. For example, you > may define the purpose as one or more of the following: > * Demonstrating that it's possible to write an encyclopedia in that > language > * Creating basic encyclopedic terminology and style in that language > * Creating a bunch of basic articles that would appear in interlanguage > links in Wikipedias from bigger languages (English, French, etc.) > * Creating a bunch of basic articles that would appear in search results > from internet search engines > > The existence of these things may bring in people who will become volunteer > sustaining editors. > > -- > Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי > http://aharoni.wordpress.com > “We're living in pieces, > I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
