en:wp has a very good concept https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Don%27t_stuff_beans_up_your_nose
> > " In our zeal to head off others' unwise action, we may put forth ideas > they have not entertained before. It may be wise not to caution against > such possibilities > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motivation#Incentive_theories:_intrinsic_and_extrinsic_motivation> > . Prophylactic <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophylactic> admonition > may trigger novel mischief. As the popular saying goes, "don't give 'em any > ideas". In other words, " > On 6 April 2018 at 10:34, Philippe Beaudette <phili...@beaudette.me> wrote: > I can not speak to current practice at the WMF, but I can speak to > practice when I was there (ancient history, long ago, I know) when I say > that this is something that was carefully considered and there were > appropriate experts consulted at the time. Knowing the team there like i > do, I'm confident that those plans have not lapsed, and that they continue > to give appropriate (though not paranoiac) consideration to the realities > of the world. > > I also know that when I was there, we would have considered it > inappropriate to share detail about those plans publicly, and I continue to > believe that is good practice. > > Philippe > > On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 5:19 PM, Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l < > wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> Safety of attendees has for a long time been a criteria ... agree, but >> the risk assesement we are discussing here is not about safety, but >> security. I am sure we might not use them all properly, I am also not a >> native English speaker, but they are not the same concept, right? >> >> Now, there were examples where looking at a dossier where the information >> was about only the first one... that's the point here. I am talking about >> events, the first email was about the place of the office... but the >> motivation of a criminal act in both case can be overlapping, so they are >> an unicum in a proper evaluation, IMHO. I am not expert in the field, but >> if you start to assess the risk of someone harming you in SFO, that could >> happen also in another place where many of the same people gather annually, >> and that you also inform millions of people with sitenotices about it. >> >> Now, I don't say that you must inform a lot. But if you are not the >> police you are also not the fire brigade, but you wouldn't write in a >> candidature nothing or simply "if there is a fire someone is paid to >> extinguish it"... you would make more effort, and we do. If you don't want >> to add another paragraph in the final document, rename it "safety and >> security" but start to think organically about it. >> >> Alex >> >> >> >> Il Venerdì 6 Aprile 2018 1:59, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> ha >> scritto: >> >> >> Safety of attendees has for a long time been a criteria that needs to be >> addressed when bidding for any WMF event, the people bidding are the better >> placed to assess the reality of the local situation. Open bidding >> processes enable others to also critically look at the options, ultimately >> we are more at risk at home where feel comfortable then when travelling. >> Every location has its risks, its undesirables, and crime, just getting a >> taxi to and from the airport is a risk reality is its also more likely than >> a terrorist event >> On 6 April 2018 at 03:24, Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l < >> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: >> >> That's why people offwiki say they don't discuss this thing on meta or >> here, because you always have an "answer" like this... this sarcasm. in >> it's way, an example of an unhealthy community. >> >> Look at what I wrote: >> >> "Even if it is not nice to think about it, and of course you try to do it >> mostly in private, you should clearly write down at least at a certain >> point that you are preparing to all scenario, contacting the police and so >> on. it should be a paragraph in a candidature for an event, IMHO. but it >> should be done." >> that's it. it's not complicated... I know because of partially direct >> experience... it's part of the world, when you are professional. You can't >> prepare an event of certain scale and in a certain areas and ignore it in >> the final dossier. There will be someone who take a look at that. So, who >> talked about "solving terrorism"? just the one who wanted to make a joke. >> >> Maybe people are not big babies and even without constant reminder they >> don't exaggerate. You have no idea with whom I discuss this aspect so far, >> what such wikimedians do in their real life. They are able to focus on the >> point... the point is security and if you replied this way to this question >> in many situations, you will be considered unprepared. >> >> Alex >> >> >> Il Giovedì 5 Aprile 2018 20:29, Alphos OGame <alphos.og...@gmail.com> >> ha scritto: >> >> >> I heartily agree : build that firewall, and let Cisco pay for it ! >> Wait, what were you suggesting in your incipit ? Oh, right, "a way that's >> rational, avoiding to create unnecessary panic of course". >> I'd rather not ask of people organizing conventions (which is already >> time-consuming by itself) that they solve terrorism in their town, which is >> what the police are probably more suited for, if you don't mind ; as a >> matter of fact, it is not one of their duties as convention holders, plain >> and simple, and neither are they doctors, police officers, judges, jesters, >> masseuses, nannies, yoga instructors, cooks, indentured servants, etc >> (except of course if they are, which may happen). >> >> So let's please not overreact, and stick to the current discussion >> instead of having the next WikiConvention in a flying fortress with armed >> guards, sniffing dogs, and metal detectors at every door… >> >> Roger / Alphos >> >> >> >> 2018-04-05 18:40 GMT+02:00 Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l >> <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia. org>: >> >> I remember we discussed 2 or 3 years about this scenario with some >> wikimedians off wiki. I strongly support to discuss at least once openly >> about that. In a way that it's rational, avoiding to create unnecessary >> panic... of course. >> >> >> Despite the claimed neutrality of the communities, reality always bites. >> Now, a terrorist can imagine that we will not put a black banner if someone >> kill a lot of people somewhere... but if same amount of wikimedians are >> killed at a international rally the probability that a block ribbon, an >> editnotice with a statement appear on many language edition is higher. it's >> an attack at the community like it is a proposal of a law somewhere, and we >> naturally react stronger. >> >> >> It would be a bigger impact, if you think about it. You can get the >> attention of billions of people every time they connect to the 5th or 6th >> largest website in the world. Cynically speaking, if you also consider the >> facts that it's about free knowledge and volunteers, than a mass murder at >> at a wikimedian event might be more "effective" than at a discotheque or >> the seat of a multinational conglomerate. >> >> >> If i remember correctly. in the months before a certain wiki-event, many >> people linked to radical activities were arrested in the area, in the same >> country. So, when you organize an event, it's not just about safety but >> also security. Even if it is not nice to think about it, and of course you >> try to do it mostly in private, you should clearly write down at least at a >> certain point that you are preparing to all scenario, contacting the police >> and so on. it should be a paragraph in a candidature for an event, IMHO. >> but it should be done. >> >> A.M. >> >> Il Giovedì 5 Aprile 2018 18:09, Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> ha >> scritto: >> >> >> I read/receive related craps >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/ index.php?title=User_talk: >> Vituzzu&diff=prev&oldid= 831949995> >> on >> a daily basis but it's hard to tell an idiot from a psychopath, so it may >> become a risk for WMF offices. >> >> Vito >> >> 2018-04-05 17:33 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett <a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk>: >> >> > I'm sure most of you will be aware of the unfortunate events at >> > YouTube's HQ a couple fo days ago: >> > >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ YouTube_headquarters_shooting >> > >> > Without giving away anything that might reveal vulnerabilities, does >> > the WMF have contingency plans for such an incident? 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