Hoi,
How about Portuguese from Africa?
Thanks,
GerardM
On 27 July 2018 at 16:41, Paulo Santos Perneta <paulospern...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hello Jane,
>
> Yes, maybe I have been lucky for having to deal with a Wikipedia that,
> despite having its fair share of problems, actually has not that kind of
> strife. We have 2 major linguistic varieties there (different to the point
> that stuff in European Portuguese is often subtitled in Brazil), and I
> can't remember the last time we had any problem related to that. We used to
> have some episodic problems, but since we passed a rule around 2011
> declaring that articles directly related to a geographic region should use
> the variety spoken in that geographic region, it ceased to be a problem.
> Language/variety diversity is often seen there as a source of richness and
> knowledge, and not as some kind of downside that people have to endure in
> order to participate.
>
> Some people of wiki.pt are also very active at the Mirandese and Galician
> wikis, projects with which we often engage in close collaboration.
>
> I'm also quite active at Commons, where we use mostly English, but a bit of
> everything as well (many categories are written using 2 different
> languages, for instance, and we often communicate in our native languages
> over there, often in the same thread).
>
> I wouldn't doubt that there are some people that despise languages
> different from the one they speak, but I don't believe it's anywhere "split
> down the middle". At least that is not my experience, at all.
>
>
> All the best,
>
>
> Paulo
>
>
> 2018-07-27 14:57 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com>:
>
> > Well just speaking from my experience with the nlwiki community, there is
> > often a tendency to e.g. delete Belgian versions of local folklore or
> > cuisine, or merge these into Dutch local folklore or cuisine articles. I
> > think in general, you could say that most mono-lingualists are fairly
> > certain their country and by association, their language is the best, and
> > any other speakers of their language should either conform or start their
> > own wiki, never mind local grammar rules, etc. I am surprised you haven't
> > come across this at all - consider yourself lucky!
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 1:35 PM, Paulo Santos Perneta <
> > paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Jane,
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > I think that we are in fact
> > split down the middle into parties that believe
> > > "some languages are better than others" and "let's save all existing
> > > languages on the planet, including all of their fonts ever used on- and
> > > offline".
> > >
> > > I don't know why do you wrote this, as I never had this impression, at
> > > all. We are split by languages since the Babel Tower was embargoed by
> > God,
> > > but I never, ever remember hearing someone saying or even hinting that
> > > "some languages are better than others".
> > >
> > > All the best,
> > >
> > > Paulo
> > >
> > >
> > > 2018-07-25 8:28 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > Hmm. Yes and no. Yes the May 2017 conference suffered from some
> > > interesting
> > > > selection bias, but no the people there were not all brainwashed into
> > > > forgetting their "wildness". We are all still wild wild Wikipedians
> at
> > > > heart, speaking for the 2006 cohort in its entirety. I really doubt
> > > whether
> > > > the WMF is trying to shove us all in a direction of their choosing.
> > > >
> > > > I think
> > > > that we are in fact split down the middle into parties that believe
> > "some
> > > > languages are better than others" and "let's save all existing
> > languages
> > > on
> > > > the planet, including all of their fonts ever used on- and offline".
> > Then
> > > > there is a huge discrepancy in workflow for these people and the
> folks
> > > who
> > > > work in just one language and never think of language as a movement
> > topic
> > > > at all. Among this monolingual crowd (many of whom do not subscribe
> to
> > > any
> > > > mailing list or other communication outlets) are the overlapping
> groups
> > > > between the "field workers" and the "library workers". The field
> > workers
> > > > tend to operate more by a "drive-by" methodology, and the "library
> > > workers"
> > > > tend to operate more by a "step-by-step" methodology. I respectfully
> > > submit
> > > > that we have all dabbled in all of these worlds and therefore we all
> > have
> > > > enough common sense to shout "Whoa!" if something really really wrong
> > > gets
> > > > proposed. But in the past I have felt quite strongly that something
> was
> > > > really really wrong, but it turned out it was just a factor of me
> being
> > > > unaware of workflow difficulties experienced by others. So e.g.
> > > personally
> > > > I was against the idea of "protected pages" but have come around to
> > > seeing
> > > > they are useful - even on Wikidata.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 10:12 PM, Anders Wennersten <
> > > > m...@anderswennersten.se> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > As I see it the strategy process is run for the functionaries in
> the
> > > > > movement and by them. People with focus on contributing to the
> > projects
> > > > are
> > > > > not involved, when volunteers is mentioned it is mostly people
> > running
> > > > > worskhops for beginners etc, a kind of semi functionaries, not the
> > hard
> > > > > core contributes.
> > > > >
> > > > > This could be a good thing and foster a new set of moment leaders,
> > > fully
> > > > > in agreement with goals and strategy. It could also be seen as a
> > > > weakness,
> > > > > as we do not recognize the more "wild" (but creative)y culture in
> our
> > > > > communities and only have the "nice" and obedient culture being
> > > accepted.
> > > > >
> > > > > Facts
> > > > >
> > > > > The vision was really created in Wikiconf 2017 by functionaries
> > > > >
> > > > > The way forward was defined by Wikiconf 2017 by functionaries
> > > > >
> > > > > The set up of work groups was from the beginning set up to include
> > > > (only)
> > > > > functionaries (time requirement, and first it was also talked of
> > > > candidates
> > > > > should be endorsed by local chapters). And the actual selection was
> > not
> > > > > done transparent as is the culture of the communities but by "boss"
> > > > > selection (I only feel the movement is starting to resemble a big
> > > > company,
> > > > > not the vibrant communities)
> > > > >
> > > > > Anders
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Den 2018-07-24 kl. 21:29, skrev Yaroslav Blanter:
> > > > >
> > > > >> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 9:16 PM, David Cuenca Tudela <
> > > dacu...@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I do not know what really happened but if I listen to what has
> been
> > > said
> > > > >> here and earlier on similar occasions, my conclusion is that for
> the
> > > > >> Strategy Team we - volunteers who are working on the projects but
> > are
> > > > not
> > > > >> associated with the chapters, do not show up at Wikimania, do not
> > > attend
> > > > >> real-life tutorials organized by WMF - just do not exist.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> If this is the case, this is a serious gap to be bridged. So far I
> > > have
> > > > >> net
> > > > >> see even an acknowledgement of its existence.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Cheers
> > > > >> Yaroslav
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