Hi All, as someone around for 10+ years I must say never really felt reached out to by these initiatives.
As the years passed I saw smaller and smaller chance to "get in" anywhere without building some sort of a(n) (international) wiki career first, what means years of stepping up on a corporate-esque ladder, spending the appropriate time on each level, before becoming eligible to step up. Note, we talk about an advisory board here, not decision making. This pretty much kills volunteerism in the wikimedia movement. If one suggestion can be shouted in from the sideline, I'd suggest to think about excluding all who currently has or had in the past 12 months any formal position in the movement (board members, committee members, employees and all equivalent). If anyone is interested in new voices. Regards, Balazs Paulo Santos Perneta <paulospern...@gmail.com> ezt írta (2018. július 27., péntek): > Hello Jane, > > > > > I think that we are in fact split down the middle into parties that believe > "some languages are better than others" and "let's save all existing > languages on the planet, including all of their fonts ever used on- and > offline". > > I don't know why do you wrote this, as I never had this impression, at > all. We are split by languages since the Babel Tower was embargoed by God, > but I never, ever remember hearing someone saying or even hinting that > "some languages are better than others". > > All the best, > > Paulo > > > 2018-07-25 8:28 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com>: > > > Hmm. Yes and no. Yes the May 2017 conference suffered from some > interesting > > selection bias, but no the people there were not all brainwashed into > > forgetting their "wildness". We are all still wild wild Wikipedians at > > heart, speaking for the 2006 cohort in its entirety. I really doubt > whether > > the WMF is trying to shove us all in a direction of their choosing. > > > > I think > > that we are in fact split down the middle into parties that believe "some > > languages are better than others" and "let's save all existing languages > on > > the planet, including all of their fonts ever used on- and offline". Then > > there is a huge discrepancy in workflow for these people and the folks > who > > work in just one language and never think of language as a movement topic > > at all. Among this monolingual crowd (many of whom do not subscribe to > any > > mailing list or other communication outlets) are the overlapping groups > > between the "field workers" and the "library workers". The field workers > > tend to operate more by a "drive-by" methodology, and the "library > workers" > > tend to operate more by a "step-by-step" methodology. I respectfully > submit > > that we have all dabbled in all of these worlds and therefore we all have > > enough common sense to shout "Whoa!" if something really really wrong > gets > > proposed. But in the past I have felt quite strongly that something was > > really really wrong, but it turned out it was just a factor of me being > > unaware of workflow difficulties experienced by others. So e.g. > personally > > I was against the idea of "protected pages" but have come around to > seeing > > they are useful - even on Wikidata. > > > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 10:12 PM, Anders Wennersten < > > m...@anderswennersten.se> wrote: > > > > > As I see it the strategy process is run for the functionaries in the > > > movement and by them. People with focus on contributing to the projects > > are > > > not involved, when volunteers is mentioned it is mostly people running > > > worskhops for beginners etc, a kind of semi functionaries, not the hard > > > core contributes. > > > > > > This could be a good thing and foster a new set of moment leaders, > fully > > > in agreement with goals and strategy. It could also be seen as a > > weakness, > > > as we do not recognize the more "wild" (but creative)y culture in our > > > communities and only have the "nice" and obedient culture being > accepted. > > > > > > Facts > > > > > > The vision was really created in Wikiconf 2017 by functionaries > > > > > > The way forward was defined by Wikiconf 2017 by functionaries > > > > > > The set up of work groups was from the beginning set up to include > > (only) > > > functionaries (time requirement, and first it was also talked of > > candidates > > > should be endorsed by local chapters). And the actual selection was not > > > done transparent as is the culture of the communities but by "boss" > > > selection (I only feel the movement is starting to resemble a big > > company, > > > not the vibrant communities) > > > > > > Anders > > > > > > > > > > > > Den 2018-07-24 kl. 21:29, skrev Yaroslav Blanter: > > > > > >> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 9:16 PM, David Cuenca Tudela < > dacu...@gmail.com > > > > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> I do not know what really happened but if I listen to what has been > said > > >> here and earlier on similar occasions, my conclusion is that for the > > >> Strategy Team we - volunteers who are working on the projects but are > > not > > >> associated with the chapters, do not show up at Wikimania, do not > attend > > >> real-life tutorials organized by WMF - just do not exist. > > >> > > >> If this is the case, this is a serious gap to be bridged. So far I > have > > >> net > > >> see even an acknowledgement of its existence. > > >> > > >> Cheers > > >> Yaroslav > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik > > >> i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik > > >> i/Wikimedia-l > > >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > , > > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > >> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik > > > i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
