And perhaps with a further focus on specific African countries that speak Portuguese?
Scott_WUaS On 5:46AM, Tue, Jul 31, 2018 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hoi, > How about Portuguese from Africa? > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 27 July 2018 at 16:41, Paulo Santos Perneta <paulospern...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hello Jane, > > > > Yes, maybe I have been lucky for having to deal with a Wikipedia that, > > despite having its fair share of problems, actually has not that kind of > > strife. We have 2 major linguistic varieties there (different to the > point > > that stuff in European Portuguese is often subtitled in Brazil), and I > > can't remember the last time we had any problem related to that. We used > to > > have some episodic problems, but since we passed a rule around 2011 > > declaring that articles directly related to a geographic region should > use > > the variety spoken in that geographic region, it ceased to be a problem. > > Language/variety diversity is often seen there as a source of richness > and > > knowledge, and not as some kind of downside that people have to endure in > > order to participate. > > > > Some people of wiki.pt are also very active at the Mirandese and > Galician > > wikis, projects with which we often engage in close collaboration. > > > > I'm also quite active at Commons, where we use mostly English, but a bit > of > > everything as well (many categories are written using 2 different > > languages, for instance, and we often communicate in our native languages > > over there, often in the same thread). > > > > I wouldn't doubt that there are some people that despise languages > > different from the one they speak, but I don't believe it's anywhere > "split > > down the middle". At least that is not my experience, at all. > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > Paulo > > > > > > 2018-07-27 14:57 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com>: > > > > > Well just speaking from my experience with the nlwiki community, there > is > > > often a tendency to e.g. delete Belgian versions of local folklore or > > > cuisine, or merge these into Dutch local folklore or cuisine articles. > I > > > think in general, you could say that most mono-lingualists are fairly > > > certain their country and by association, their language is the best, > and > > > any other speakers of their language should either conform or start > their > > > own wiki, never mind local grammar rules, etc. I am surprised you > haven't > > > come across this at all - consider yourself lucky! > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 1:35 PM, Paulo Santos Perneta < > > > paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Jane, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that we are in fact > > > split down the middle into parties that believe > > > > "some languages are better than others" and "let's save all existing > > > > languages on the planet, including all of their fonts ever used on- > and > > > > offline". > > > > > > > > I don't know why do you wrote this, as I never had this impression, > at > > > > all. We are split by languages since the Babel Tower was embargoed by > > > God, > > > > but I never, ever remember hearing someone saying or even hinting > that > > > > "some languages are better than others". > > > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > > > Paulo > > > > > > > > > > > > 2018-07-25 8:28 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com>: > > > > > > > > > Hmm. Yes and no. Yes the May 2017 conference suffered from some > > > > interesting > > > > > selection bias, but no the people there were not all brainwashed > into > > > > > forgetting their "wildness". We are all still wild wild Wikipedians > > at > > > > > heart, speaking for the 2006 cohort in its entirety. I really doubt > > > > whether > > > > > the WMF is trying to shove us all in a direction of their choosing. > > > > > > > > > > I think > > > > > that we are in fact split down the middle into parties that believe > > > "some > > > > > languages are better than others" and "let's save all existing > > > languages > > > > on > > > > > the planet, including all of their fonts ever used on- and > offline". > > > Then > > > > > there is a huge discrepancy in workflow for these people and the > > folks > > > > who > > > > > work in just one language and never think of language as a movement > > > topic > > > > > at all. Among this monolingual crowd (many of whom do not subscribe > > to > > > > any > > > > > mailing list or other communication outlets) are the overlapping > > groups > > > > > between the "field workers" and the "library workers". The field > > > workers > > > > > tend to operate more by a "drive-by" methodology, and the "library > > > > workers" > > > > > tend to operate more by a "step-by-step" methodology. I > respectfully > > > > submit > > > > > that we have all dabbled in all of these worlds and therefore we > all > > > have > > > > > enough common sense to shout "Whoa!" if something really really > wrong > > > > gets > > > > > proposed. But in the past I have felt quite strongly that something > > was > > > > > really really wrong, but it turned out it was just a factor of me > > being > > > > > unaware of workflow difficulties experienced by others. So e.g. > > > > personally > > > > > I was against the idea of "protected pages" but have come around to > > > > seeing > > > > > they are useful - even on Wikidata. > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 10:12 PM, Anders Wennersten < > > > > > m...@anderswennersten.se> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > As I see it the strategy process is run for the functionaries in > > the > > > > > > movement and by them. People with focus on contributing to the > > > projects > > > > > are > > > > > > not involved, when volunteers is mentioned it is mostly people > > > running > > > > > > worskhops for beginners etc, a kind of semi functionaries, not > the > > > hard > > > > > > core contributes. > > > > > > > > > > > > This could be a good thing and foster a new set of moment > leaders, > > > > fully > > > > > > in agreement with goals and strategy. It could also be seen as a > > > > > weakness, > > > > > > as we do not recognize the more "wild" (but creative)y culture in > > our > > > > > > communities and only have the "nice" and obedient culture being > > > > accepted. > > > > > > > > > > > > Facts > > > > > > > > > > > > The vision was really created in Wikiconf 2017 by functionaries > > > > > > > > > > > > The way forward was defined by Wikiconf 2017 by functionaries > > > > > > > > > > > > The set up of work groups was from the beginning set up to > include > > > > > (only) > > > > > > functionaries (time requirement, and first it was also talked of > > > > > candidates > > > > > > should be endorsed by local chapters). And the actual selection > was > > > not > > > > > > done transparent as is the culture of the communities but by > "boss" > > > > > > selection (I only feel the movement is starting to resemble a big > > > > > company, > > > > > > not the vibrant communities) > > > > > > > > > > > > Anders > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Den 2018-07-24 kl. 21:29, skrev Yaroslav Blanter: > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 9:16 PM, David Cuenca Tudela < > > > > dacu...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I do not know what really happened but if I listen to what has > > been > > > > said > > > > > >> here and earlier on similar occasions, my conclusion is that for > > the > > > > > >> Strategy Team we - volunteers who are working on the projects > but > > > are > > > > > not > > > > > >> associated with the chapters, do not show up at Wikimania, do > not > > > > attend > > > > > >> real-life tutorials organized by WMF - just do not exist. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> If this is the case, this is a serious gap to be bridged. 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