Well, I don't know the fact directly but the standard procedure is to discuss it with a local administrator on the relevant talk page or notice board. So, Vermont is correct.
The T&S does not usually take action in cases that can generally be handled by the local community. Thus, responses such as "falls outside the Foundation's remit" isn't bad in such cases. Regards. Isaac On Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 22:51 Chris Gates via Wikimedia-l, < wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: > Chris, > > More generally, conduct issues are handled locally. We do not have a > central authority to handle issues like this; local communities are, in the > vast majority of cases, capable of handling conduct problems of it’s > editors. Not to mention that T&S would be incapable of handling every minor > conduct problem. > > It also is not something that is usually emailed to emergency@; if there’s > extensive problems with harassment, and local functions do not work, > c...@wikimedia.org will get you in touch with T&S who can look into the > issue. > > However, you haven’t tried to handle this locally. Creating an ANI section, > seeing that people aren’t 100% in agreement with your preferred outcome, > and then removing it is not very helpful towards resolving this. > > From my somewhat limited looking into the events, there’s been some > problematic shows of incivility on from both parties, with WWGB using the > word “cutie” in an offhand edit summary. It isn’t appropriate, it certainly > didn’t improve their point, but calling it sexual harassment and hoping for > the WMF or others to take immediate and dire action without community input > is misleading and unrealistic. On a collaborative project, problems are > handled collaboratively with uninvolved editors looking at the issue from a > third party perspective, giving their input, and at some point an > administrator coming along to enact the consensus. That’s why noticeboards > of this type exist, which discuss and evaluate conduct issues to seek a > resolution. We do not know how other community members and admins would > have participated in the discussion because it was cut short. > > I noticed that you said, on Facebook, that you did not feel safe talking to > WWGB directly about it, and that you did not feel safe on ANI. I’m very > sorry to hear this; though I am not sure what you believe to be unsafe > about leaving a talk page message stating your having taken offense at > WWGB’s remarks, or asking for input from administrators and the community > to resolve the issue, those are the methods of fixing issues. If either > action were met with hostility, insult, or further harassment, there would > be a very clear and simple case for an administrator to take action, and > thus would have been much easier. If WWGB, however, apologized and agreed > not to continue with such conduct in the future, it would also have been > much easier. We don’t have a sort of secret police to handle issues in > private. The community processes exist for a reason, and when permitted to > take place, usually work. > > Best regards, > Vermont > > > On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 17:27 Aron Manning <aronmanni...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 22:43, Chris Sherlock <chris.sherloc...@gmail.com > > > > wrote: > > > > > I have been advised by the WMF that if anyone is concerned about being > > > sexually harassed they must report this to AN/I and there are no > private > > > mechanisms to report this sort of thing. > > > > > > Is this for real? > > > > > > Assuming you've contacted Trust&Safety, "falls outside of the > Foundation's > > remit" is a standard answer to receive as a regular editor. > > > > Bringing the issue to ANI it will most likely be ignored. If your issue > is > > with a long-term / established editor it has a significant chance to > > boomerang <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/wp:BOOMERANG>. > > > > Sadly, this is for real and somewhat the reason behind the UCoC proposal. > > Whether that will change this is another question. > > > > Aron > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
