Vickram, while I agree with you my point was something else. What I meant to say was that if you add a source, you make your point, you're being neutral, and thus what you're doing is factually correct.
On 07/12/2011, Vickram Crishna <vvcris...@radiophony.com> wrote: > Exactly my point. I suspect that the addition of a line referring to the > current controversy, where the hashtag #IdiotKapilSibal has been trending, > and to quote some of the numbers over time during this crisis, would not be > out of place. > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:29 PM, CherianTinu Abraham > <tinucher...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Adding "Kapil Sibal is an idiot" on the Wikipedia article is vandalism >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kapil_Sibal&action=historysubmit&diff=464355055&oldid=464353638 >> >> >> Addling "verifiable facts" is acceptable ( including controversies and >> criticism" >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kapil_Sibal&action=historysubmit&diff=464367647&oldid=464366606 >> >> >> Hope I clarified the difference. >> >> Regards >> Tinu Cherian >> >> P.S. On a lighter note, Please feel to add "Kapil Sibal is an idiot" , if >> you can provide/prove that with "Verifiable references" from "Reliable >> Sources" :) >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Vickram Crishna >> <vvcris...@radiophony.com>wrote: >> >>> Oh, the mention of 'idiot' on that page is vandalism (no, I haven't done >>> it - yet)? I thought we had a very interesting discussion about current >>> affairs at WikiConf where there seemed to be a consensus that presenting >>> every side of the picture is important. >>> >>> Is reporting the fact that major websites like Kafila.org and literally >>> hundreds or thousands of Twitter users are tweeting the hashtag >>> #IdiotKapilSibal wrong, in that case? >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:05 PM, CherianTinu Abraham < >>> tinucher...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On a related note, this has appeared on *The Economic Times* : >>>> >>>> " Five reasons why India can't censor the Internet" >>>> >>>> http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/internet/five-reasons-why-india-cant-censor-the-internet/articleshow/11018330.cms >>>> >>>> >>>> "*Yes, Internet content has the permanence and public-impact potential >>>> that a phone call does not, but equally, it lends itself brilliantly to >>>> self-regulation. * >>>> * >>>> * >>>> *3. Peer review works: Wikipedia is the best example. Who could have >>>> imagined that a user-created encyclopedia could be so objective, and >>>> comprehensive? Yes, anyone can go in and edit anything (barring entries >>>> like "Kapil Sibal", which have been locked due to vandalism!). * >>>> * >>>> * >>>> *If you make an inappropriate change, someone will come in and correct >>>> it.* " >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Tinu Cherian >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < >>>> parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> This is basically restriction of freedom of expression and it will >>>>> hurt Wikipedia much more than it hurts Twitter or Facebook. >>>>> >>>>> On 07/12/2011, Srikanth Lakshmanan <srik....@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 12:06, Achal Prabhala <aprabh...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> fyi >>>>> >> >>>>> >> -------- Original Message -------- >>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Indian Minister Kapil Sibal Wants >>>>> to >>>>> >> Censor >>>>> >> social >>>>> >> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 12:02:10 +0530 >>>>> >> From: Achal Prabhala <aprabh...@gmail.com> >>>>> >> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List < >>>>> >> foundatio...@lists.wikimedia.org> >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > I just want to write that there was a community member who seemed to >>>>> be of >>>>> > the notion ImageFilter is the technical fix for what Kapil Sibal is >>>>> > proposing(without probably understanding / knowing much) and >>>>> connecting the >>>>> > two distinct things. Yes Sibal showed some images as examples for his >>>>> > support, but what Sibal means is much more and prescreening of every >>>>> byte >>>>> > of user generated content. Please tell that member that linking up 2 >>>>> > different things is not a good idea. ImageFilter needs to be >>>>> discussed with >>>>> > its own merits / demerits and this thing that Sibal proposes means >>>>> much >>>>> > more than images. >>>>> > >>>>> > If at all the legislation comes and is being enforced, I think >>>>> Wikimedia >>>>> > projects are better equipped *technically* than other social media >>>>> sites >>>>> > cited to support the local laws(so that we need not be banned if that >>>>> goes >>>>> > to that extreme) with a combination of ImageFilter / FlaggedRevisions >>>>> and >>>>> > some more customizations, but thats not where we would like to go. >>>>> > Community is already not so strong and needs support, there is so >>>>> much work >>>>> > to do in increasing content, censorship will cripple Indian community >>>>> if >>>>> > such a thing happens. >>>>> > >>>>> > There are many questions that the communities need to decide as to >>>>> submit >>>>> > to Indian laws (if at all they come through) and I hope the situation >>>>> does >>>>> > not arise for us to take those tough calls. >>>>> > >>>>> > PS : I would not like to post / join foundation-l myself since it has >>>>> high >>>>> > SNR IMO. >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > Regards >>>>> > Srikanth.L >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Sent from my mobile device >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Srikanth Ramakrishnan. >>>>> Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. >>>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Vickram >>> Fool On The Hill <http://communicall.wordpress.com> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> >> > > > -- > Vickram > Fool On The Hill <http://communicall.wordpress.com> > -- Sent from my mobile device Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. 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