A useful update on the situation: http://blogs.outlookindia.com/default.aspx?ddm=10&pid=2665
On Wednesday 07 December 2011 10:36 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan wrote: > Vickram, while I agree with you my point was something else. What I > meant to say was that if you add a source, you make your point, you're > being neutral, and thus what you're doing is factually correct. > > On 07/12/2011, Vickram Crishna<vvcris...@radiophony.com> wrote: >> Exactly my point. I suspect that the addition of a line referring to the >> current controversy, where the hashtag #IdiotKapilSibal has been trending, >> and to quote some of the numbers over time during this crisis, would not be >> out of place. >> >> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:29 PM, CherianTinu Abraham >> <tinucher...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Adding "Kapil Sibal is an idiot" on the Wikipedia article is vandalism >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kapil_Sibal&action=historysubmit&diff=464355055&oldid=464353638 >>> >>> >>> Addling "verifiable facts" is acceptable ( including controversies and >>> criticism" >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kapil_Sibal&action=historysubmit&diff=464367647&oldid=464366606 >>> >>> >>> Hope I clarified the difference. >>> >>> Regards >>> Tinu Cherian >>> >>> P.S. On a lighter note, Please feel to add "Kapil Sibal is an idiot" , if >>> you can provide/prove that with "Verifiable references" from "Reliable >>> Sources" :) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Vickram Crishna >>> <vvcris...@radiophony.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Oh, the mention of 'idiot' on that page is vandalism (no, I haven't done >>>> it - yet)? I thought we had a very interesting discussion about current >>>> affairs at WikiConf where there seemed to be a consensus that presenting >>>> every side of the picture is important. >>>> >>>> Is reporting the fact that major websites like Kafila.org and literally >>>> hundreds or thousands of Twitter users are tweeting the hashtag >>>> #IdiotKapilSibal wrong, in that case? >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:05 PM, CherianTinu Abraham< >>>> tinucher...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On a related note, this has appeared on *The Economic Times* : >>>>> >>>>> " Five reasons why India can't censor the Internet" >>>>> >>>>> http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/internet/five-reasons-why-india-cant-censor-the-internet/articleshow/11018330.cms >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "*Yes, Internet content has the permanence and public-impact potential >>>>> that a phone call does not, but equally, it lends itself brilliantly to >>>>> self-regulation. * >>>>> * >>>>> * >>>>> *3. Peer review works: Wikipedia is the best example. Who could have >>>>> imagined that a user-created encyclopedia could be so objective, and >>>>> comprehensive? Yes, anyone can go in and edit anything (barring entries >>>>> like "Kapil Sibal", which have been locked due to vandalism!). * >>>>> * >>>>> * >>>>> *If you make an inappropriate change, someone will come in and correct >>>>> it.* " >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Tinu Cherian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan< >>>>> parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> This is basically restriction of freedom of expression and it will >>>>>> hurt Wikipedia much more than it hurts Twitter or Facebook. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 07/12/2011, Srikanth Lakshmanan<srik....@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 12:06, Achal Prabhala<aprabh...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> fyi >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Indian Minister Kapil Sibal Wants >>>>>> to >>>>>>>> Censor >>>>>>>> social >>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 12:02:10 +0530 >>>>>>>> From: Achal Prabhala<aprabh...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List< >>>>>>>> foundatio...@lists.wikimedia.org> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just want to write that there was a community member who seemed to >>>>>> be of >>>>>>> the notion ImageFilter is the technical fix for what Kapil Sibal is >>>>>>> proposing(without probably understanding / knowing much) and >>>>>> connecting the >>>>>>> two distinct things. Yes Sibal showed some images as examples for his >>>>>>> support, but what Sibal means is much more and prescreening of every >>>>>> byte >>>>>>> of user generated content. Please tell that member that linking up 2 >>>>>>> different things is not a good idea. ImageFilter needs to be >>>>>> discussed with >>>>>>> its own merits / demerits and this thing that Sibal proposes means >>>>>> much >>>>>>> more than images. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If at all the legislation comes and is being enforced, I think >>>>>> Wikimedia >>>>>>> projects are better equipped *technically* than other social media >>>>>> sites >>>>>>> cited to support the local laws(so that we need not be banned if that >>>>>> goes >>>>>>> to that extreme) with a combination of ImageFilter / FlaggedRevisions >>>>>> and >>>>>>> some more customizations, but thats not where we would like to go. >>>>>>> Community is already not so strong and needs support, there is so >>>>>> much work >>>>>>> to do in increasing content, censorship will cripple Indian community >>>>>> if >>>>>>> such a thing happens. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There are many questions that the communities need to decide as to >>>>>> submit >>>>>>> to Indian laws (if at all they come through) and I hope the situation >>>>>> does >>>>>>> not arise for us to take those tough calls. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> PS : I would not like to post / join foundation-l myself since it has >>>>>> high >>>>>>> SNR IMO. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Srikanth.L >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Sent from my mobile device >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Srikanth Ramakrishnan. >>>>>> Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. >>>>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Vickram >>>> Fool On The Hill<http://communicall.wordpress.com> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Vickram >> Fool On The Hill<http://communicall.wordpress.com> >> _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
