Interesting to note that the article mentions Sunil and Pranesh of the Centre for Internet and Society ...
On 08/12/2011, Achal Prabhala <aprabh...@gmail.com> wrote: > A useful update on the situation: > > http://blogs.outlookindia.com/default.aspx?ddm=10&pid=2665 > > > On Wednesday 07 December 2011 10:36 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan wrote: >> Vickram, while I agree with you my point was something else. What I >> meant to say was that if you add a source, you make your point, you're >> being neutral, and thus what you're doing is factually correct. >> >> On 07/12/2011, Vickram Crishna<vvcris...@radiophony.com> wrote: >>> Exactly my point. I suspect that the addition of a line referring to the >>> current controversy, where the hashtag #IdiotKapilSibal has been >>> trending, >>> and to quote some of the numbers over time during this crisis, would not >>> be >>> out of place. >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:29 PM, CherianTinu Abraham >>> <tinucher...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Adding "Kapil Sibal is an idiot" on the Wikipedia article is vandalism >>>> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kapil_Sibal&action=historysubmit&diff=464355055&oldid=464353638 >>>> >>>> >>>> Addling "verifiable facts" is acceptable ( including controversies and >>>> criticism" >>>> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kapil_Sibal&action=historysubmit&diff=464367647&oldid=464366606 >>>> >>>> >>>> Hope I clarified the difference. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Tinu Cherian >>>> >>>> P.S. On a lighter note, Please feel to add "Kapil Sibal is an idiot" , >>>> if >>>> you can provide/prove that with "Verifiable references" from "Reliable >>>> Sources" :) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Vickram Crishna >>>> <vvcris...@radiophony.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Oh, the mention of 'idiot' on that page is vandalism (no, I haven't >>>>> done >>>>> it - yet)? I thought we had a very interesting discussion about current >>>>> affairs at WikiConf where there seemed to be a consensus that >>>>> presenting >>>>> every side of the picture is important. >>>>> >>>>> Is reporting the fact that major websites like Kafila.org and literally >>>>> hundreds or thousands of Twitter users are tweeting the hashtag >>>>> #IdiotKapilSibal wrong, in that case? >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:05 PM, CherianTinu Abraham< >>>>> tinucher...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On a related note, this has appeared on *The Economic Times* : >>>>>> >>>>>> " Five reasons why India can't censor the Internet" >>>>>> >>>>>> http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/internet/five-reasons-why-india-cant-censor-the-internet/articleshow/11018330.cms >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "*Yes, Internet content has the permanence and public-impact potential >>>>>> that a phone call does not, but equally, it lends itself brilliantly >>>>>> to >>>>>> self-regulation. * >>>>>> * >>>>>> * >>>>>> *3. Peer review works: Wikipedia is the best example. Who could have >>>>>> imagined that a user-created encyclopedia could be so objective, and >>>>>> comprehensive? Yes, anyone can go in and edit anything (barring >>>>>> entries >>>>>> like "Kapil Sibal", which have been locked due to vandalism!). * >>>>>> * >>>>>> * >>>>>> *If you make an inappropriate change, someone will come in and correct >>>>>> it.* " >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Tinu Cherian >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan< >>>>>> parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> This is basically restriction of freedom of expression and it will >>>>>>> hurt Wikipedia much more than it hurts Twitter or Facebook. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 07/12/2011, Srikanth Lakshmanan<srik....@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 12:06, Achal Prabhala<aprabh...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> fyi >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Indian Minister Kapil Sibal >>>>>>>>> Wants >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> Censor >>>>>>>>> social >>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 12:02:10 +0530 >>>>>>>>> From: Achal Prabhala<aprabh...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List< >>>>>>>>> foundatio...@lists.wikimedia.org> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I just want to write that there was a community member who seemed to >>>>>>> be of >>>>>>>> the notion ImageFilter is the technical fix for what Kapil Sibal is >>>>>>>> proposing(without probably understanding / knowing much) and >>>>>>> connecting the >>>>>>>> two distinct things. Yes Sibal showed some images as examples for >>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>> support, but what Sibal means is much more and prescreening of every >>>>>>> byte >>>>>>>> of user generated content. Please tell that member that linking up 2 >>>>>>>> different things is not a good idea. ImageFilter needs to be >>>>>>> discussed with >>>>>>>> its own merits / demerits and this thing that Sibal proposes means >>>>>>> much >>>>>>>> more than images. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If at all the legislation comes and is being enforced, I think >>>>>>> Wikimedia >>>>>>>> projects are better equipped *technically* than other social media >>>>>>> sites >>>>>>>> cited to support the local laws(so that we need not be banned if >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>> goes >>>>>>>> to that extreme) with a combination of ImageFilter / >>>>>>>> FlaggedRevisions >>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> some more customizations, but thats not where we would like to go. >>>>>>>> Community is already not so strong and needs support, there is so >>>>>>> much work >>>>>>>> to do in increasing content, censorship will cripple Indian >>>>>>>> community >>>>>>> if >>>>>>>> such a thing happens. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are many questions that the communities need to decide as to >>>>>>> submit >>>>>>>> to Indian laws (if at all they come through) and I hope the >>>>>>>> situation >>>>>>> does >>>>>>>> not arise for us to take those tough calls. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> PS : I would not like to post / join foundation-l myself since it >>>>>>>> has >>>>>>> high >>>>>>>> SNR IMO. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> Srikanth.L >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Sent from my mobile device >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Srikanth Ramakrishnan. >>>>>>> Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. >>>>>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Vickram >>>>> Fool On The Hill<http://communicall.wordpress.com> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Vickram >>> Fool On The Hill<http://communicall.wordpress.com> >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > -- Sent from my mobile device Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. 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