My opinion: The sermonising-in-public-tone is also unfriendly. Regards.
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 at 11:13 AM, Abhinav srivastava <abhinav...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello Satdeep, Bodhisattwa and All, > > > > I believe the response to the first statement put by Satdeep, on having > expected more discussions, stands firm, Indian community has advanced from > the notion of “Constantly enduring in fights amongst themselves”. The > mailing list have largely remained positive and most importantly friendly > in nature for some time now. Indian community needs this kind of a > behaviour. > > While Bodhisattwa was absolutely democratic and correct in inquiring, > debating or in fact questioning this issue, his tone could have been > better. When the issue requires clarity of information, putting value > judgements along with taking names, I believe this could have been put in a > better manner. Otherwise, we haven’t progressed at all. > > As far as Wikimania mailing list is concerned, I too subsequently inquired > and I find response has been provided for the same, two days back. > Bodhisattwa has been subsequently replying. Also, the respective mailing > list advises that the issue is a different matter and not relevant for the > mailing list. Satdeep, you did not inform about this information in your > mail. > > Bodhisattwa, as a past executive committee member of the Wikimedia India, > I would like to say Wikimedia India always believes in the will of the > community being the will of the executive committee. I can personally say, > Chapter having no money, the Executive committee members have paid from > their pockets to provide all the necessary support. You were also one of > its recipients for Internet scholarship until some telecom companies > started providing very pocket friendly price internet services and we > requested you to shift (Reliance Jio). The several executive committee > members did not earn still they paid from their pocket to support you and > others. We did it because we always believed in you, your work has been > fantastic even community members used to express their happiness to us for > on having supported Bodhisattwa. > > Like the allegation today, even two years back on Wikimania there happened > to be an allegation on an Indian language village pump, concerning you and > your travel. The Chapter paid no heed and remained firm in supporting you. > Unnamed and unmentioned, I would say the editor who questioned then is also > a very senior member and having been associated as a staff in few of the > institutions which concerns us. Today, you seem to be in a very similar > position, an experienced community who is questioning with no so proper > tone and taking names. Bodhisattwa, you should lead the community members > in promoting friendly space not doing the opposites. > > > > Now, coming to responses made by Satdeep and Subhashish on the other > thread. This issue requires much more gravity. A lot of things have been > happening without community being informed anything. This just not concerns > one person. Correct me if I am wrong, but this summer an affiliates > conference was organised in Bengaluru, just before the Berlin Wikimedia > Conference. To my understanding, all delegates were supposed to attend the > conference were invited and others who reside in Bengaluru. But then, what > was the need to make this exercise secret in nature. Again, only to my > understanding, this was organised by Centre for Internet and Society. Like > Subhashish has mentioned, need for a consensus, share it on Wiki for > transparency or not, participants create Learning Patterns and write report > etc. Such things should happen here too. Also, is there an event page on > Meta about this meeting? > > > > To my CIS friends, nothing personal here, the argument on transparency has > been happening so I though of voicing my views. I would advise you to keep > informing the community of your activities, I cannot find any monthly work > reports which used to be shared earlier. In fact, the meta page does not > even provide a 2018 section for reports. Please look into this, we are in > the 8th month of the year. My piece of advice would be let someone > volunteer and create your reports, if you do not have staff at the moment. > Just like Wikimedia India were reports are created by volunteers. > > > > At last, Bodhisattwa, my friend, like Satdeep and Subhashish raise your > voice but maintain friendly spirt. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 12:26 AM Satdeep Gill <satdeepg...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I expected more discussion on this. Although, Subhashish reposted this on >> Wikimania mailing list and asked some really good questions. >> >> I agree with Subha that if an affiliate decides to send someone to >> Wikimania then the whole selection process should be transparent and also >> some reporting guidelines should be established similar to Wikimania. >> >> All this can help ensure trust of the wider Wikimedia community in our >> processes and decisions. >> >> I do want to hear why was it deemed necessary for the WMIN President to >> be present at that informal meetup during Wikimania. >> >> I do know that for some other Chapters whose chairperson's were not >> attending Wikimania, some editor Board/EC member attended the meetup on >> their behalf. >> >> I expect to hear more about this. >> >> Regards >> Satdeep Gill >> >> Community Outreach Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/New_Readers> >> Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_Wikimedians> >> Member, Affiliations Committee >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee> >> Member, Language Committee >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee> >> >> >> On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 at 17:30, Bodhisattwa Mandal < >> bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> WMIN chapter president Rahul Deshmukh attended Wikimania 2018 in Cape >>> Town >>> without being selected for any type of scholarship. My question is why >>> was >>> he sent to the conference depriving other community members from India >>> who >>> were in the waiting list. >>> >>> He spoke in the informal chairpersons' meetup for few minutes. The >>> meeting >>> doesn't require president of the organization's presence, and already >>> there >>> were 2 EC member of WMIN present, who could have attended the meeting. >>> >>> To me, this is utter misuse of power and abuse of donation money. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Bodhisattwa >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: < >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/attachments/20180727/0bc24b91/attachment-0001.html >>> > >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Subject: Digest Footer >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> End of Wikimediaindia-l Digest, Vol 1465, Issue 1 >>> ************************************************* >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >
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