sorry, few corrections, Hi Abhinav,
1) I already said, I am sorry if you find my tone appropriate, but attacking someone personally was never my intention. I question about the non-transparent and undocumented process which happened and its a fact. I still find my question extremely relevant and valid, which still remains unanswered. 5) Got your personal mail and the link. I never knew that and amazed to see that discussion was going on behind my back in another language Wiki where i am not even part of. And although I didn't have to justify myself to anyone, still I opened few glimpse of my personal life to you, hoping it will remain between us. 6) I dont have hard evidence now, but if what we heard in Wikimania were true, time will tell everything. By the way, some of the participants have first-hand hearsay experience about those plans, but as those are not revealed publicly by anyone, I am also not interested to discuss any of that. Lets wait and see if they were bluff or had any truth in it.. Thanks, On 2 August 2018 at 14:30, Bodhisattwa Mandal <bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Abhinav, > > 1) Got your personal mail and the link. I never knew that and amazed to > see that discussion was going on behind my back in another language Wiki > where i am not even part of. And although I didn't have to justify myself > to anyone, still I opened few glimpse of my personal life to you, hoping it > will remain between us. I already said, I am sorry if you find my tone > appropriate, but attacking someone personally was never my intention. I > question about the non-transparent and undocumented process which happened > and its a fact. I still find my question extremely relevant and valid, > which still remains unanswered. > > 6) I dont have hard evidence now, but if what we heard in Wikimania were > true, time will tell everything. By the way, some of the participants have > first-hand hearsay experience about those plans, but as those are not > revealed publicly by anyone, I am also not interested to discuss any of > that. Lets wait and see if they were bluff or had any truth in it.. > > Thanks, > > On 2 August 2018 at 12:06, Amritasya Putra <iamamritasyapu...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> My opinion: The sermonising-in-public-tone is also unfriendly. >> >> Regards. >> >> On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 at 11:13 AM, Abhinav srivastava <abhinav...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hello Satdeep, Bodhisattwa and All, >>> >>> >>> >>> I believe the response to the first statement put by Satdeep, on having >>> expected more discussions, stands firm, Indian community has advanced from >>> the notion of “Constantly enduring in fights amongst themselves”. The >>> mailing list have largely remained positive and most importantly friendly >>> in nature for some time now. Indian community needs this kind of a >>> behaviour. >>> >>> While Bodhisattwa was absolutely democratic and correct in inquiring, >>> debating or in fact questioning this issue, his tone could have been >>> better. When the issue requires clarity of information, putting value >>> judgements along with taking names, I believe this could have been put in a >>> better manner. Otherwise, we haven’t progressed at all. >>> >>> As far as Wikimania mailing list is concerned, I too subsequently >>> inquired and I find response has been provided for the same, two days back. >>> Bodhisattwa has been subsequently replying. Also, the respective mailing >>> list advises that the issue is a different matter and not relevant for the >>> mailing list. Satdeep, you did not inform about this information in your >>> mail. >>> >>> Bodhisattwa, as a past executive committee member of the Wikimedia >>> India, I would like to say Wikimedia India always believes in the will of >>> the community being the will of the executive committee. I can personally >>> say, Chapter having no money, the Executive committee members have paid >>> from their pockets to provide all the necessary support. You were also one >>> of its recipients for Internet scholarship until some telecom companies >>> started providing very pocket friendly price internet services and we >>> requested you to shift (Reliance Jio). The several executive committee >>> members did not earn still they paid from their pocket to support you and >>> others. We did it because we always believed in you, your work has been >>> fantastic even community members used to express their happiness to us for >>> on having supported Bodhisattwa. >>> >>> Like the allegation today, even two years back on Wikimania there >>> happened to be an allegation on an Indian language village pump, concerning >>> you and your travel. The Chapter paid no heed and remained firm in >>> supporting you. Unnamed and unmentioned, I would say the editor who >>> questioned then is also a very senior member and having been associated as >>> a staff in few of the institutions which concerns us. Today, you seem to be >>> in a very similar position, an experienced community who is questioning >>> with no so proper tone and taking names. Bodhisattwa, you should lead the >>> community members in promoting friendly space not doing the opposites. >>> >>> >>> >>> Now, coming to responses made by Satdeep and Subhashish on the other >>> thread. This issue requires much more gravity. A lot of things have been >>> happening without community being informed anything. This just not concerns >>> one person. Correct me if I am wrong, but this summer an affiliates >>> conference was organised in Bengaluru, just before the Berlin Wikimedia >>> Conference. To my understanding, all delegates were supposed to attend the >>> conference were invited and others who reside in Bengaluru. But then, what >>> was the need to make this exercise secret in nature. Again, only to my >>> understanding, this was organised by Centre for Internet and Society. Like >>> Subhashish has mentioned, need for a consensus, share it on Wiki for >>> transparency or not, participants create Learning Patterns and write report >>> etc. Such things should happen here too. Also, is there an event page on >>> Meta about this meeting? >>> >>> >>> >>> To my CIS friends, nothing personal here, the argument on transparency >>> has been happening so I though of voicing my views. I would advise you to >>> keep informing the community of your activities, I cannot find any monthly >>> work reports which used to be shared earlier. In fact, the meta page does >>> not even provide a 2018 section for reports. Please look into this, we are >>> in the 8th month of the year. My piece of advice would be let someone >>> volunteer and create your reports, if you do not have staff at the moment. >>> Just like Wikimedia India were reports are created by volunteers. >>> >>> >>> >>> At last, Bodhisattwa, my friend, like Satdeep and Subhashish raise your >>> voice but maintain friendly spirt. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 12:26 AM Satdeep Gill <satdeepg...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I expected more discussion on this. Although, Subhashish reposted this >>>> on Wikimania mailing list and asked some really good questions. >>>> >>>> I agree with Subha that if an affiliate decides to send someone to >>>> Wikimania then the whole selection process should be transparent and also >>>> some reporting guidelines should be established similar to Wikimania. >>>> >>>> All this can help ensure trust of the wider Wikimedia community in our >>>> processes and decisions. >>>> >>>> I do want to hear why was it deemed necessary for the WMIN President to >>>> be present at that informal meetup during Wikimania. >>>> >>>> I do know that for some other Chapters whose chairperson's were not >>>> attending Wikimania, some editor Board/EC member attended the meetup on >>>> their behalf. >>>> >>>> I expect to hear more about this. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Satdeep Gill >>>> >>>> Community Outreach Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation >>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/New_Readers> >>>> Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians >>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_Wikimedians> >>>> Member, Affiliations Committee >>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee> >>>> Member, Language Committee >>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 at 17:30, Bodhisattwa Mandal < >>>> bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> WMIN chapter president Rahul Deshmukh attended Wikimania 2018 in Cape >>>>> Town >>>>> without being selected for any type of scholarship. My question is why >>>>> was >>>>> he sent to the conference depriving other community members from India >>>>> who >>>>> were in the waiting list. >>>>> >>>>> He spoke in the informal chairpersons' meetup for few minutes. The >>>>> meeting >>>>> doesn't require president of the organization's presence, and already >>>>> there >>>>> were 2 EC member of WMIN present, who could have attended the meeting. >>>>> >>>>> To me, this is utter misuse of power and abuse of donation money. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Bodhisattwa >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> URL: <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/atta >>>>> chments/20180727/0bc24b91/attachment-0001.html> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Digest Footer >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> End of Wikimediaindia-l Digest, Vol 1465, Issue 1 >>>>> ************************************************* >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> >> > > > -- > Bodhisattwa > > -- Bodhisattwa
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