Hi Abhinav, 1) Got your personal mail and the link. I never knew that and amazed to see that discussion was going on behind my back in another language Wiki where i am not even part of. And although I didn't have to justify myself to anyone, still I opened few glimpse of my personal life to you, hoping it will remain between us. I already said, I am sorry if you find my tone appropriate, but attacking someone personally was never my intention. I question about the non-transparent and undocumented process which happened and its a fact. I still find my question extremely relevant and valid, which still remains unanswered.
6) I dont have hard evidence now, but if what we heard in Wikimania were true, time will tell everything. By the way, some of the participants have first-hand hearsay experience about those plans, but as those are not revealed publicly by anyone, I am also not interested to discuss any of that. Lets wait and see if they were bluff or had any truth in it.. Thanks, On 2 August 2018 at 12:06, Amritasya Putra <iamamritasyapu...@gmail.com> wrote: > My opinion: The sermonising-in-public-tone is also unfriendly. > > Regards. > > On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 at 11:13 AM, Abhinav srivastava <abhinav...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hello Satdeep, Bodhisattwa and All, >> >> >> >> I believe the response to the first statement put by Satdeep, on having >> expected more discussions, stands firm, Indian community has advanced from >> the notion of “Constantly enduring in fights amongst themselves”. The >> mailing list have largely remained positive and most importantly friendly >> in nature for some time now. Indian community needs this kind of a >> behaviour. >> >> While Bodhisattwa was absolutely democratic and correct in inquiring, >> debating or in fact questioning this issue, his tone could have been >> better. When the issue requires clarity of information, putting value >> judgements along with taking names, I believe this could have been put in a >> better manner. Otherwise, we haven’t progressed at all. >> >> As far as Wikimania mailing list is concerned, I too subsequently >> inquired and I find response has been provided for the same, two days back. >> Bodhisattwa has been subsequently replying. Also, the respective mailing >> list advises that the issue is a different matter and not relevant for the >> mailing list. Satdeep, you did not inform about this information in your >> mail. >> >> Bodhisattwa, as a past executive committee member of the Wikimedia India, >> I would like to say Wikimedia India always believes in the will of the >> community being the will of the executive committee. I can personally say, >> Chapter having no money, the Executive committee members have paid from >> their pockets to provide all the necessary support. You were also one of >> its recipients for Internet scholarship until some telecom companies >> started providing very pocket friendly price internet services and we >> requested you to shift (Reliance Jio). The several executive committee >> members did not earn still they paid from their pocket to support you and >> others. We did it because we always believed in you, your work has been >> fantastic even community members used to express their happiness to us for >> on having supported Bodhisattwa. >> >> Like the allegation today, even two years back on Wikimania there >> happened to be an allegation on an Indian language village pump, concerning >> you and your travel. The Chapter paid no heed and remained firm in >> supporting you. Unnamed and unmentioned, I would say the editor who >> questioned then is also a very senior member and having been associated as >> a staff in few of the institutions which concerns us. Today, you seem to be >> in a very similar position, an experienced community who is questioning >> with no so proper tone and taking names. Bodhisattwa, you should lead the >> community members in promoting friendly space not doing the opposites. >> >> >> >> Now, coming to responses made by Satdeep and Subhashish on the other >> thread. This issue requires much more gravity. A lot of things have been >> happening without community being informed anything. This just not concerns >> one person. Correct me if I am wrong, but this summer an affiliates >> conference was organised in Bengaluru, just before the Berlin Wikimedia >> Conference. To my understanding, all delegates were supposed to attend the >> conference were invited and others who reside in Bengaluru. But then, what >> was the need to make this exercise secret in nature. Again, only to my >> understanding, this was organised by Centre for Internet and Society. Like >> Subhashish has mentioned, need for a consensus, share it on Wiki for >> transparency or not, participants create Learning Patterns and write report >> etc. Such things should happen here too. Also, is there an event page on >> Meta about this meeting? >> >> >> >> To my CIS friends, nothing personal here, the argument on transparency >> has been happening so I though of voicing my views. I would advise you to >> keep informing the community of your activities, I cannot find any monthly >> work reports which used to be shared earlier. In fact, the meta page does >> not even provide a 2018 section for reports. Please look into this, we are >> in the 8th month of the year. My piece of advice would be let someone >> volunteer and create your reports, if you do not have staff at the moment. >> Just like Wikimedia India were reports are created by volunteers. >> >> >> >> At last, Bodhisattwa, my friend, like Satdeep and Subhashish raise your >> voice but maintain friendly spirt. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 12:26 AM Satdeep Gill <satdeepg...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I expected more discussion on this. Although, Subhashish reposted this >>> on Wikimania mailing list and asked some really good questions. >>> >>> I agree with Subha that if an affiliate decides to send someone to >>> Wikimania then the whole selection process should be transparent and also >>> some reporting guidelines should be established similar to Wikimania. >>> >>> All this can help ensure trust of the wider Wikimedia community in our >>> processes and decisions. >>> >>> I do want to hear why was it deemed necessary for the WMIN President to >>> be present at that informal meetup during Wikimania. >>> >>> I do know that for some other Chapters whose chairperson's were not >>> attending Wikimania, some editor Board/EC member attended the meetup on >>> their behalf. >>> >>> I expect to hear more about this. >>> >>> Regards >>> Satdeep Gill >>> >>> Community Outreach Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/New_Readers> >>> Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_Wikimedians> >>> Member, Affiliations Committee >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee> >>> Member, Language Committee >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 at 17:30, Bodhisattwa Mandal < >>> bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> WMIN chapter president Rahul Deshmukh attended Wikimania 2018 in Cape >>>> Town >>>> without being selected for any type of scholarship. My question is why >>>> was >>>> he sent to the conference depriving other community members from India >>>> who >>>> were in the waiting list. >>>> >>>> He spoke in the informal chairpersons' meetup for few minutes. The >>>> meeting >>>> doesn't require president of the organization's presence, and already >>>> there >>>> were 2 EC member of WMIN present, who could have attended the meeting. >>>> >>>> To me, this is utter misuse of power and abuse of donation money. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Bodhisattwa >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>> URL: <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/ >>>> attachments/20180727/0bc24b91/attachment-0001.html> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Subject: Digest Footer >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> End of Wikimediaindia-l Digest, Vol 1465, Issue 1 >>>> ************************************************* >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > -- Bodhisattwa
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