On 7 Oct 2014 18:15, "Jon Robson" <jrob...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>
> On 7 Oct 2014 18:03, "Dan Garry" <dga...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> >
> > Jon,
> >
> > Regarding editing specific templates, I'll echo Brion here. If a
template
> > is causing difficulties for your work and you feel like you know enough
to
> > fix it, then fix it! That's the wiki way. If you don't have the rights
to
> > edit the template (e.g. because it's protected), then speak to Tomasz
and
> > he will try to get you the rights that you need.
> Sure but this isn't scalable. I need more people caring about this stuff
other than me :)
>
> Also currently the only way to deal with these issues is to move styles
into Common.CSS which only really makes sense for widely used templates...
Ideally I'd want some kind of sanity checking rather than doing it live
which seems to be the current status quo. Changing HTML /CSS/JavaScript
[without any kind of review]
always felt uncomfortable to me.
>
> > Regarding the broader issue of the fact that there are thousands of
these
> > kinds of templates, I will also echo Brion! We need to make mobile
testing
> > more visible to those who are creating those templates.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > On 7 October 2014 15:14, Brion Vibber <bvib...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Jon Robson <jrob...@wikimedia.org>
wrote:
> > >
> > > > On mobile we continuously get bugs related to inline styles in
> > > > templates. For example:
> > > > https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68001
> > > >
> > > > When these happen we usually spend time investigating, discover it
is
> > > > because of a troublesome inline style in the template and then we
> > > > communicate this on the template talk page [1]
> > > >
> > > > However, rarely do these get replies and rarely does anything get
fixed.
> > > >
> > > > Am I doing something wrong? Should I be posting these problems
> > > > elsewhere? It seems like a lot of templates do not have active
> > > > maintainers.
> > > >
> > >
> > > The wiki way is not to ask and wait for someone else to act, but to
act
> > > directly in good faith and communicate what you did and why so that if
> > > there is disagreement it can be resolved afterwards.
> > >
> > > Ultimately if we're unwilling to help edit and maintain the content
and
> > > style of the wikis, we're going to be stuck working around bad styles
> > > forever.
> > >
> > >
> > > > There has been an RFC [2] open for ages that when solved I hope will
> > > > lead to lots of discussions between developers and template
> > > > maintainers but right now it seems even without the tools we are
> > > > failing.
> > > >
> > > > How can we get better at making our template styles more mobile
friendly?
> > > >
> > > > [2]
> > > >
> > >
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Allow_styling_in_templates
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'd like to revitalize this one; I'll do some testing this weekend
and put
> > > it on the agenda for next week's RfC.
> > >
> > > I'm also interested in some kind of easy "preview how this page will
look
> > > on mobile" in the editor, which would probably be a separate thing...
> > >
> > > -- brion
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> > Dan Garry
> > Associate Product Manager, Mobile Apps
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