Jon, 1: Get templateeditor rights on your volunteer account, you can edit the majority of templates with that, and you only need to proof your skill with templates for that, which is a reasonably low barrier. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_editor 2: This whole stuff is mostly as far as it is going to get on en.wp without https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Allow_styling_in_templates What remains currently, even when consolidated and cleaned up, will still be thousands of lines of CSS, for what will only touch 1 % of the pages, so it has no business in Common.css, yet much of it requires media queries to really make a worthwhile improvement. 3: Whoever mentioned blockquotes… Just before I burned out on en.wp, I was working on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Quotation_cleanup <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Quotation_cleanup>
There is indeed a lot of work to do there, they are a mess. DJ > On 8 okt. 2014, at 03:16, Jon Robson <jdlrob...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 7 Oct 2014 18:15, "Jon Robson" <jrob...@wikimedia.org> wrote: >> >> >> On 7 Oct 2014 18:03, "Dan Garry" <dga...@wikimedia.org> wrote: >>> >>> Jon, >>> >>> Regarding editing specific templates, I'll echo Brion here. If a > template >>> is causing difficulties for your work and you feel like you know enough > to >>> fix it, then fix it! That's the wiki way. If you don't have the rights > to >>> edit the template (e.g. because it's protected), then speak to Tomasz > and >>> he will try to get you the rights that you need. >> Sure but this isn't scalable. I need more people caring about this stuff > other than me :) >> >> Also currently the only way to deal with these issues is to move styles > into Common.CSS which only really makes sense for widely used templates... > Ideally I'd want some kind of sanity checking rather than doing it live > which seems to be the current status quo. Changing HTML /CSS/JavaScript > [without any kind of review] > always felt uncomfortable to me. >> >>> Regarding the broader issue of the fact that there are thousands of > these >>> kinds of templates, I will also echo Brion! We need to make mobile > testing >>> more visible to those who are creating those templates. >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> On 7 October 2014 15:14, Brion Vibber <bvib...@wikimedia.org> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Jon Robson <jrob...@wikimedia.org> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> On mobile we continuously get bugs related to inline styles in >>>>> templates. For example: >>>>> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68001 >>>>> >>>>> When these happen we usually spend time investigating, discover it > is >>>>> because of a troublesome inline style in the template and then we >>>>> communicate this on the template talk page [1] >>>>> >>>>> However, rarely do these get replies and rarely does anything get > fixed. >>>>> >>>>> Am I doing something wrong? Should I be posting these problems >>>>> elsewhere? It seems like a lot of templates do not have active >>>>> maintainers. >>>>> >>>> >>>> The wiki way is not to ask and wait for someone else to act, but to > act >>>> directly in good faith and communicate what you did and why so that if >>>> there is disagreement it can be resolved afterwards. >>>> >>>> Ultimately if we're unwilling to help edit and maintain the content > and >>>> style of the wikis, we're going to be stuck working around bad styles >>>> forever. >>>> >>>> >>>>> There has been an RFC [2] open for ages that when solved I hope will >>>>> lead to lots of discussions between developers and template >>>>> maintainers but right now it seems even without the tools we are >>>>> failing. >>>>> >>>>> How can we get better at making our template styles more mobile > friendly? >>>>> >>>>> [2] >>>>> >>>> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Allow_styling_in_templates >>>>> >>>> >>>> I'd like to revitalize this one; I'll do some testing this weekend > and put >>>> it on the agenda for next week's RfC. >>>> >>>> I'm also interested in some kind of easy "preview how this page will > look >>>> on mobile" in the editor, which would probably be a separate thing... >>>> >>>> -- brion >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikitech-l mailing list >>>> Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dan Garry >>> Associate Product Manager, Mobile Apps >>> Wikimedia Foundation >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikitech-l mailing list >>> Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
