Thanks for the expanded update. I'm a big fan of Echo and am happy to hear that global notifications are coming.
If you'll be at WikiConference USA, I'd appreciate a chance to talk with you there in person, and others might as well! Pine On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Danny Horn <dh...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > Flow is going to be one of the extensions that the Collaboration team > maintains, along with Echo and Thanks. "Not in active development" means > that we're not going to build or change features, but we're going to fix > bugs and make sure that people who are using Flow have a good experience > with it. > > It's a similar situation to Echo, which wasn't in active development for at > least eighteen months, but we fixed bugs and made some changes to connect > it up with Flow. We've recently started doing the prep work for global > cross-wiki Echo notifications, which is another project that we're going to > be working on in October. > > We talked about the Workflows project at Wikimania, introducing it as > something that we were going to work on in early 2016. This priority change > basically means that Workflows moves from "3 to 6 months from now" to next > month. > > As people have noted, the Foundation spent money developing Flow discussion > features, and we did the work in iterative stages, to make sure that there > was a useable (if incomplete) product at every stage. That gave us the > opportunity to get great feedback and see how people were using Flow, but > it also just provides value on its own. Shifting priorities happens with > product teams all the time, so you always want to be able to get to a > stable place, and still have something worthwhile. > > Right now, there are several wikis that are enthusiastic about using Flow, > on user talk pages, help forums and village pump-style discussion pages. > Later this month, we're going to release the opt-in beta feature for wikis > that request it, so that people can turn Flow on for their own user talk > pages, and continue to get value out of the existing product. At that > point, it's our responsibility to fix bugs and maintain it, so that we're > not jerking the rug out from under the people who have been so helpful and > important to the team. > > Danny > > > > On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Jonathan Morgan <jmor...@wikimedia.org> > wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 1:25 AM, Brian Wolff <bawo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > I seriously doubt any form of technology will solve the problem of > > > independent groups with overlapping interests discussing things in > > > multiple venues. > > > > > > My reading of the original email is that they want to work on things > > > that have rather fixed bureaucratic procedures (e.g. Discussions about > > > what content to delete). Relatively free-form discussion across many > > > locations, seems like the opposite of that imo. I would love to hear > > > in more detail what the team concretely plans to work on, although I > > > imagine that's still in the process of being planned. > > > > > > > > You're correct, as far as I know. I can't/won't speak for Danny about the > > product roadmap (I'm sure he will jump in here again), but one component > of > > what's planned is indeed support for these so-called "bureaucratic > > procedures". I did some initial research before Wikimania (still-drafty > > wikipage report[1], internal presentation[2]), and Danny incorporated > some > > of this into his Wikimania presentation.[3] > > > > I've heard of several other components from the team, but "workflows" is > > definitely part of it. > > > > Thanks to you, Pine, Risker and others for the good-faith assessments, > btw. > > > > J > > > > 1. > > > > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Flow/Community_process_workflow_interviews_(June_2015) > > 2. > > > > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:Flow_workflow_interviews_-_initial_findings_June_2015.pdf > > 3. > > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:User(s)_Talk(ing)_-_Wikimania_2015.pdf > > > > > > > -- > > > -bawolff > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Jonathan T. Morgan > > Senior Design Researcher > > Wikimedia Foundation > > User:Jmorgan (WMF) <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jmorgan_(WMF)> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
