Personally (because I have no expertise in thing kind of thing in my WMF capacity), I'd very much support this. It *would *be showing a bias towards Mozilla and Firefox, but I think it's entirely reasonable for us to be biased towards non-profit, open technology. A web with Firefox as a strong player is considerably more hospitable to us than one without.
I agree this should be discussed in a wider forum like on Meta, but I look forward to supporting it there too :) On 31 August 2017 at 14:20, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 31 August 2017 at 21:37, bawolff <bawolff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 8:14 PM, Legoktm <legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> This was something that came up during "The Big Open" at Wikimania, when > >> Katherine Maher talked with Ryan Merkley (CEO of Creative Commons) and > >> Mark Surman (ED of Mozilla Foundation). One of the themes mentioned was > >> that our projects need to work together and support each other. > >> > >> In that vein, I'm interested in what people think about promoting > >> Firefox to users who are using legacy browsers that we don't support at > >> Grade A (or some other criteria). As part of the "drop IE8 on XP" > >> project[1] we're already promoting Firefox as the alternative option. I > >> was imagining it could be a small and unobtrusive bubble > >> notification[2], similar to those that Google pushes Chrome on people > with. > >> > >> If users use modern browsers, they're going to have better security > >> support, and most likely a better experience browsing Wikimedia sites > >> too. We'd be improving the web by reducing legacy browsers, and allowing > >> us to move forward with newer technology sooner (ideally). > >> > >> And we'd be supporting a project that is ideologically aligned with us: > >> Mozilla. > >> > >> Thoughts, opinions? > >> > >> [1] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147199 > >> [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bubble_notifications > >> > >> Thanks, > >> -- Legoktm > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikitech-l mailing list > >> Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > > I'm concerned this would be seen as an inapropriate bias. > > > > Suggesting Firefox for IE8 on XP makes sense because it is basically > > the only option for that platform that is reasonably secure and not > > super obscure. Promoting firefox is general for legacy browsers seems > > like a slippery slope to me. > > > > Additionally, I think this is more a political than a technical > > decision, and one that would require consultation with the general > > Wikimedia community (e.g. Meta RFC). > > > > -- > > Brian > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > +1 on appearing to be a slippery slope and benefiting from wider, > political, discussion. > > I've promoted Wikimedia and projects as being deliberately agnostic. > Strategically, locking Wikimedia into fixed relationships with other > organizations with their own drives and timelines, is going to > increase risks downstream. > > Fae > -- > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > -- Neil Patel Quinn <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Neil_P._Quinn-WMF>, product analyst Wikimedia Foundation _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
