On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 3:57 PM Neil Patel Quinn <nqu...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> I understand the desire to avoid playing favorites by directing users to a > list of browsers rather than a single one, but I think that cuts against > *both > *the goals of doing this in the first place. > > The first goal is to nudge users to upgrade from an insecure, less-capable > browser to a modern one. But if we present them a list of 10 alternatives > (or even 2), they're far more likely to get stuck in choice paralysis [1] > and far less likely to actually do what we want and upgrade. > > Indeed. A big list of "HEY PICK ONE OF THESE" means we'll end up fracturing our users over a bunch of browsers that most of us would never even use ourselves. I merely suggested Chromium alongside Firefox because it's also free/open, even if driven by the BIG EVIL GOOGLE. > The second goal is to strengthen non-profit, open-web-focused browser > makers by increasing their market share. As I see it, the best way to do > this is to nudge all our users towards a single, high-quality browser which > already has significant market share, rather than distributing them across > many different browsers with tiny market shares. > > Indeed, like I said above. However high quality is subjective...my experiences with Firefox have been horrible the last several years, which is why I stick to Chromium/Chrome mostly. That's why I'd suggest like basically 2-3 options tops so we don't play favorites :) > I'd suggest that the best areas for debate are (1) whether these are good > goals, (2) whether their benefits justify interrupting users' browsing, and > (3) which single browser would be the best destination > > Obviously, my answers are (1) yes, (2) yes, and (3) Firefox, but some will > disagree :) > > (1) Eh, maybe. I care mostly because these older platforms are horribly insecure and if we can get people on a half-decent browser on those platforms then that's a win (cf: T118181 and all its various linked tasks). Javascript is wayyyyy down the list of why I care here :) (2) We already interrupt some of these users anyway per the TLS migration stuff I mentioned in (1) above. I think the rollout there--start with small percentages and slowly ramp up prior to there being a deadline is a good route to go. (3) I would *really* like to have 2--maybe 3--browsers to list. There's zero reason to make users think there's only one option when there's a couple of valid ones. -Chad _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
