But our environments are unique in the sense that we have many of the same data security concerns that a hospital has, but unlike their tenants, ours are 1) largely irresponsible children, 2) using systems we have to maintain (I’ve never seen a hospital help a patient fix a laptop) and 3) live on site for long periods of time. Your points regarding media/game systems are well taken and appreciated by everyone on here who has resident students though. I say this over and over .. it’s really not the “rule” that is the problem, it’s the exceptions. And those “Internet of things” devices (far beyond “BYOD”) are becoming more and more prevalent everywhere on campus… and very few of them support “enterprise” wireless configurations. As far as the onboarding headaches, I’m still surprised at how difficult this is. The closest I’ve seen to a good process is from a (very expensive) cloud *cough* provider. But is that expense warranted? Or better asked, WHY do we STILL NEED that expense when we’re now 4-5 generations (depending on how you count 11n) into mainstream wireless? My fear is that we are going to start seeing proprietary ‘standards’ for on-boarding similar to how Ethernet drivers worked 20 years ago or NAC-type interfaces built in to some supplicant-like application that each wifi vendor packages with their equipment (ie an enterprise version of WPS). -Brian
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Sessler Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 1:20 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention I think you could accomplish the same consumer friendly setup in classrooms, labs, etc. and still provide meet your goals including regulatory compliance. I see this sort of hybrid approach today in hospital settings, so I'm not sure why it can't be accomplished in EDU. The new Kaiser hospital in my area has free WiFi everywhere, secure wifi for all their mobile computer stations (one per room), EKGs, pumps, etc. mesh-based location solution with tags on everything, and cellular distribution. I would also question setting highest performance as a goal. What you want is a solution that provides the user what they need at the moment they need it. I didn't deploy 802.11n or 802.11ac so that I could win unrealistic max performance claims. I deployed those technologies to support more efficient access to a finite amount of spectrum. And if performance is a goal, it's going to be more difficult to attain if the access to the service is complex enough to make the typical user reach for their MiFi device. Jeff >>> On Friday, January 23, 2015 at 9:44 AM, in message >>> <7c623f076ece4354b6039ec505e9c...@ex13-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu<mailto:7c623f076ece4354b6039ec505e9c...@ex13-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu>>, >>> Lee H Badman <lhbad...@syr.edu<mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu>> wrote: No easy answer. The dorms could be set up “consumer style” with a different operational profile, SSID, etc and don’t HAVE to be run like the rest of campus. But in classrooms, labs and meeting rooms there is now way to deliver highest performance, regulatory compliance, and accommodation of crap devices all at the same time without hyper complexity, and then at the physics level you still have problems. Even if every issue can’t be fixed in one fell swoop, there are a number of easy tweaks that device makers could provide if they pulled their heads out of 2004. Lee Badman Wireless/Network Architect ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 (Blog: http://wirednot.wordpress.com) From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Sessler Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 12:39 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention I don't know Lee, in my mind is it the device maker's requirements to work in both consumer and enterprise environment, or does the enterprise wlan market need to figure out how to look more like a consumer wlan? Is this a problem EDU's have created because of some desire to provide a service that's more complex or invasive to use then it has to be? Is there really a need to on-board devices and have them associate using WPA2 Ent, or could we support the bulk of our users (especially students) using something more consumer friendly? Take residential (dorm) wifi as an example. If you had a model with an open or PSK-emulated wireless network coupled with location-based service filtering, the user gets on with every device out there, and they can see their chromecast, appletv, etc. and any others on that AP or 1 adjacent. Pretty much gives you the consumer feel. Jeff >>> On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 11:47 AM, in message >>> <432756068f5346b59e108b825efca...@ex13-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu<mailto:432756068f5346b59e108b825efca...@ex13-mbx-10.ad.syr.edu>>, >>> Lee H Badman <lhbad...@syr.edu<mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu>> wrote: I know self-promotion is in poor taste, but wanted to share this http://www.networkcomputing.com/wireless-infrastructure/the-case-for-wlan-interoperability/a/d-id/1318718? and encourage anyone of like (or opposing) mind to add comments. I'm told that the Alliance is at least reading along, FWIW. -Lee Lee H. Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
