Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
The elecric company doesn't care what you do with their electricity...
The gas company doesn't care what you do with their gas...
The water company doesn't care what you do with your water...
Not totaly true. You can not resell the service. You can not share your
services with neightbors
for more then a short time.
Why should the ISP care what you do with your connection, as long as
it doesn't affect their network?
I agree with this. As long as end users do no atempt to sell there pipe
they are golden to do what ever they want.
Keeping under the BW limits set in place is key. No services from said
account also.
Asinine initiatives like IMS and the desire for the telcos/cellcos to
have complete control over what their users do or don't do will cause
them to lose customers like crazy. They don't even understand what
kind of a detriment that crap will be to their service levels.
No but they understand monopoly and are working to lock them up tighter
then ever.
More information? Pick up the latest Wired and see how the
combination of Apple/cellcos/manufacturers/Hollywood managed to
produce such an inferior product as the Motorola ROKR phone. I hope
our moronic telcos continue to offer these lame-brained ideas up.
They will and at ever decresing prices to keep any compitition from
gaining more then a few percent of market share.
Matt Larsen
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Charles Wu wrote:
Electricity, Gas and Water are billed on a usage basis
Competitive market pressures aside, why should Internet be any
different?
-Charles
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge
I can see it now. We will soon be charging for termination and
origination of IP traffic on networks. Just like long distance phone
calls used to be. Yay....kill me now.
Scriv
Frank Muto wrote:
Just passing on some information that may be of interest to anyone.
Entitlement vs. laws, and a company's TOS/AUP I'm sure are all
involved in one form or another, as with anything else concerning
the use of a network to access the Internet or other service.
As far as I am concerned, this whole Internet and who controls
(owns) it, is just getting dumber and dumber by the minute.
Congress, the FCC, state and local governments, special interest
groups, the Bell's, xLEC's etc, etc, etc., can all suck eggs.
Frank
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Frank,
I have a problem with the second item listed on the challenge
myself. It
states:
2) Consumers are entitled to run applications and services of their
choice, subject to the needs of law enforcement
<http://www.cybertelecom.org/security/Calea.htm>;
I do not allow my broadband subscribers to use their connection for
applications or services which act as a server or daemon for
delivering content to others. Broadband networks are not designed
to be content delivery networks from the customer end generally. In
the case of wireless broadband access, customers can cause network
problems if they allow thousands of open ports to a popular file
download. I have seen this many times and I have provisions in my
AUP which allow me to turn customers off who cause network problems
from trying to use broadband as a content delivery mechanism. I
welcome other thoughts but I believe we need to have the ability to
stop abuses of a network which can cause us problems. With that
said I agree that there needs to be some commitment from operators
to allow access to their networks for free and open competition. I
just do not agree that there can be no limits to what we can or
cannot allow on the network. Especially when some things can harm
network functionality. John Scrivner
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