What about for those of us in small markets where the large VoIP players
don't have access numbers? What is your opinion on them coming here? For
instance, I'm in an area where the closest VoIP provider's number is 100
miles away with probably 25 or so NXX's that cannot call it locally. Not a
feasible decision for a local business as any phone calls to them will be
long distance for local residents. Is there a case for or against
partnering / working with a CLEC who has the ability to be WAY more flexible
than the ILEC's, have them drop you DS1's / PRI's / whatever and work with
them on getting local VoIP numbers for the folks in these areas? I'm
getting more and more people who want wireless Internet SOLELY because they
do not have a home phone line other than their cell phone. Do you see that
as what we're headed to? I do and I don't personally. I think there will
be a market of some kind for that, but I feel as well that for at least the
foreseeable future (say 10 years or so), markets such as mine will not be
doing away with wireline. Too many challenges for both cellular providers,
and WISP's due to terrain and sparseness of population.
I guess I'm having a hard time understanding why it cannot be profitable, at
least on some level.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance
Quite simply, VoIP will be free in the long run. Use it to sell bandwidth
or what have you, but don't plan on profiting from it directly outside of
specific niches such as call centers. We have provisioned hundreds of
phone numbers and sold hundreds of phone lines, but our actual monthly
cost for providing the service outside of equipment, bandwidth, and other
overhead is around $200 per month. With that kind of expense we could give
away service as a loss leader and not even notice it. Do you think we are
alone?
We own the network, so VoIP is easy and cheap to provide our customers.
This is not the case for the Vonages of the world.
-Matt
Jason Hensley wrote:
For someone like me who is currently looking at getting into the VoIP
business, why is it that you feel VoIP will be a long-term loser? I have
just started my research into what it will take to provide this so I'm a
little behind on it, but I'm definately interested in all opinions and
options.
Thanks!
----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance
Primus/Lingo is calling every WISP in the country trying to sign them up
for a very CommPartners like deal. All of these VoIP providers are using
the same shitty model that will be worthless in 2 years time. There is
no money to be made in VoIP short-term unless you operate your own
equipment. Long-term, there is no money to be made in VoIP at all. VoIP
will soon be a loss leader; plan for it or do get into the VoIP
business.
BTW, Primus makes all their money on international termination. The
domestic stuff is losing money hand over fist.
-Matt
John Scrivner wrote:
Primus tells me they are more than a VOIP company and that they do make
money. They impressed me in my dealings with them. Can you share more
about your information about Primus? I have a big interest in knowing
anything I can about them right now.
Thanks,
Scriv
Peter R. wrote:
You haven't seen it yet, because Lingo is not profitable yet.
Primus owns Lingo and Primus is basically an International VOIP
company.
Like so many VOIP Providers, they are still trying to figure out how
to make a profit.
Delta3 (which is the backend for VZ's VoiceWing) made $9.1M in revenue
in 4Q05 and just $22k in income.
Vonage has a customer acquisition cost that is 20 times their MRC.
Regards,
Peter
Jonathan Schmidt wrote:
I've been personally delighted with two years of Lingo giving me
unlimited USA/Canada/EUROPE calling on 7 lines each for $19.95/month
and an unusually rich set of features (like e-mailing me compressed
WAV
files of all incoming voicemails, etc.).
Now, that's retail w/box and support.
I've taken the box on trips and routed it through my laptop Ethernet
while
the laptop is on a V.32 dialup and it works but sounds kind of like a
cell
phone but having my local number with me in Europe and having
unlimited
free calls throughout Europe from Europe or Eastern Europe for ZERO
additional cost is kinda cool.
It's SIP but they keep promising a soft phone for the line, like
Vonaga, but
haven't seen it yet.
. . . j o n a t h a n
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