My understanding is that many rural markets can be accessed using tandem
PRIs. For example, using tandems in GA I can get access numbers for the
entire state with only 10 actual circuits. Though, each circuit can only
handle 23 incoming calls at once, so to support a large user base it
would require many more circuits. But, just get started providing
service to the entire state all I need is 10 circuits. Therefore, it
will only be a matter of time before even rural areas have access
numbers from VoIP providers.
In the mean time, by all means get a PRI from a local CLEC and start
selling VoIP. If you get good enough at it, you can even start selling
routes to other VoIP providers; that is our plan for rural GA.
-Matt
Jason Hensley wrote:
What about for those of us in small markets where the large VoIP
players don't have access numbers? What is your opinion on them
coming here? For instance, I'm in an area where the closest VoIP
provider's number is 100 miles away with probably 25 or so NXX's that
cannot call it locally. Not a feasible decision for a local business
as any phone calls to them will be long distance for local residents.
Is there a case for or against partnering / working with a CLEC who
has the ability to be WAY more flexible than the ILEC's, have them
drop you DS1's / PRI's / whatever and work with them on getting local
VoIP numbers for the folks in these areas? I'm getting more and more
people who want wireless Internet SOLELY because they do not have a
home phone line other than their cell phone. Do you see that as what
we're headed to? I do and I don't personally. I think there will be
a market of some kind for that, but I feel as well that for at least
the foreseeable future (say 10 years or so), markets such as mine will
not be doing away with wireline. Too many challenges for both
cellular providers, and WISP's due to terrain and sparseness of
population.
I guess I'm having a hard time understanding why it cannot be
profitable, at least on some level.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance
Quite simply, VoIP will be free in the long run. Use it to sell
bandwidth or what have you, but don't plan on profiting from it
directly outside of specific niches such as call centers. We have
provisioned hundreds of phone numbers and sold hundreds of phone
lines, but our actual monthly cost for providing the service outside
of equipment, bandwidth, and other overhead is around $200 per month.
With that kind of expense we could give away service as a loss leader
and not even notice it. Do you think we are alone?
We own the network, so VoIP is easy and cheap to provide our
customers. This is not the case for the Vonages of the world.
-Matt
Jason Hensley wrote:
For someone like me who is currently looking at getting into the
VoIP business, why is it that you feel VoIP will be a long-term
loser? I have just started my research into what it will take to
provide this so I'm a little behind on it, but I'm definately
interested in all opinions and options.
Thanks!
----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance
Primus/Lingo is calling every WISP in the country trying to sign
them up for a very CommPartners like deal. All of these VoIP
providers are using the same shitty model that will be worthless in
2 years time. There is no money to be made in VoIP short-term
unless you operate your own equipment. Long-term, there is no money
to be made in VoIP at all. VoIP will soon be a loss leader; plan
for it or do get into the VoIP business.
BTW, Primus makes all their money on international termination. The
domestic stuff is losing money hand over fist.
-Matt
John Scrivner wrote:
Primus tells me they are more than a VOIP company and that they do
make money. They impressed me in my dealings with them. Can you
share more about your information about Primus? I have a big
interest in knowing anything I can about them right now.
Thanks,
Scriv
Peter R. wrote:
You haven't seen it yet, because Lingo is not profitable yet.
Primus owns Lingo and Primus is basically an International VOIP
company.
Like so many VOIP Providers, they are still trying to figure out
how to make a profit.
Delta3 (which is the backend for VZ's VoiceWing) made $9.1M in
revenue in 4Q05 and just $22k in income.
Vonage has a customer acquisition cost that is 20 times their MRC.
Regards,
Peter
Jonathan Schmidt wrote:
I've been personally delighted with two years of Lingo giving me
unlimited USA/Canada/EUROPE calling on 7 lines each for
$19.95/month
and an unusually rich set of features (like e-mailing me
compressed WAV
files of all incoming voicemails, etc.).
Now, that's retail w/box and support.
I've taken the box on trips and routed it through my laptop
Ethernet while
the laptop is on a V.32 dialup and it works but sounds kind of
like a cell
phone but having my local number with me in Europe and having
unlimited
free calls throughout Europe from Europe or Eastern Europe for ZERO
additional cost is kinda cool.
It's SIP but they keep promising a soft phone for the line,
like Vonaga, but
haven't seen it yet.
. . . j o n a t h a n
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