I appreciate the honest criticism, really, but the situation about your network being at an equity disadvantage is very real. You CAN sell it, but you won't find many eager buyers and you won't get a good price. An Alvarion network does bring a higher value. I'm sure Moto networks may fetch an okay price (not as high as an Alvarion network). But, and this is the reality, an 802.11b network has a much lower equity value. An 802.11 network using illegal gear will have an even worse value. That's just reality and I will try to get validation from one or two of the roll-up guys I know and I'll ask if I can quote him. ...(I've placed him in the bcc, hopefully he is around this weekend to extend his opinion.)
Regards, Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients Why can't I sell what I've built ? Because it doesn't brag on the Alvarion name ? Please. As for growth path, I've got rooftop leases for these repeaters. They're legally guaranteed for 30 yrs in most cases. Sheesh, in some cases, the houses will fall down before the equipment dies. I noticed that you pointed out the CX-BA-2.4-900 stuff. That's all fine and good. Oranges to Oranges, its WAYYYY more expensive to use Alvarion, and by $1000's. CX 2.4/900 repeater is like $2,000 or more. Same functionality with Mikrotik and Ubiquiti is around $500. So, the way I see it, I can put 4 repeaters up, and cover 4 times the area that I can with one CX repeater. AND, my tower side cost me $2,000 less as well! So, $5,000 spent = 1 customer and repeater with tower side on Alvarion, or 9 customers with repeaters and tower side with Mikrotik / Ubiquiti, AND I've got 9 repeaters out there touching a ton more customers. With Mikrotik, I've got firewalling / vpn / qos / bandwidth metering / HOTSPOT / OSPF / WDS / and a routed network all the way to each customer, OR a bridged network if I should so choose. Why would I have any less a path for growth or satisfactory exit in putting together Mikrotik solutions as opposed to Alvarion ? Cost of implementation's cheaper. Cost of replacement's cheaper. Cost of value added services are cheaper, AND implemented with only a phone call from the customer or even a hotspot implementation. Future bandwidth's "just there" - no manufacturer throttling to pay to upgrade like Alvarion Mikrotik doesn't tell me what I can't do - they put it all there and let you decide. No unlock extortion. Actually, I just sold a chunk of my Pennsylvania network, that was still in a build-up phase, with tower sites installed and a couple customers, for some cash that's going to run the rest of my network for a while. Whole thing was built on Canopy and Mikrotik tower sides and cpe's. Ya know, there IS one product I'll use religiously from Alvarion and it's the 2.4 DS11 backhaul units. Rock solid, decently priced (on the used market) and it's truly install-and-forget-it's-there stuff. I just don't see the financial advantage to spending anything else on Alvarion gear though. Especially when I've got high speed backhauls, short and long distance backhauls, multiple frequency ranges, including licensed and public safety, LOS, NLOS and hotspot / billing / etc all built into one platform that doesn't cost a ton of money, and there's a lot of good support for. I don't see how that's bad business. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients It is interesting Rick and creative, but with all due respect, you are not building a network that you are going to be able to sell most likely or at least certainly not for a good price. As well, you can't offer advanced services if you want to grow into them. Rick, it is a serious question: what is your path for growth and/or path to have a satisfactory exit? Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 7:35 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients There's no license fees if you're buying routerboards for Mikrotik. Also, add 2.4 cards (SR2) and cabling / antenna at each client, and you've now built a mesh, so to speak, with coverage off each customer to new customers. Those setups add about $200 here and there when you do the repeaters. But again, Alvarion can't touch $500 for 900 CPE and 2.4 AP all on one POE cable. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:27 PM To: Joe Laura; WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients It is a fair question and what I would say is that the AU is an even more critical point in the network. Our AUs have options to be inserted into chassis with redundant power supplies, etc. The difference in cost of the AU is minimal when working out the entire cost of the sector and its clients, especially when working in the OPEX issues. For example, OPEX aside, let's say you are in the AlvarionCOMNET program and buy at the minimum level of 25 CPE, which would get you a $285/CPE cost with free shipping. Let's assume all 25 of those attach to a VL sector. In that case the sector will cost you about $1900 plus $285 x 25, or $9,025. The equivalent size network at Mikrotik with the prices in this thread would be $348 x 25 + the $500 AU or $9,200 + shipping. So, not even counting the OPEX issues, reduced truck roll, and shipping we are $175 cheaper. Then add in the 1 year free warranty, domestic support, FCC legality, and higher equity value of the network. Let's not forget no user license fees, no fee for new software upgrades. Is my math wrong? The business equation seems simple unless I am seriously missing something. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 5:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients But is your A/P under $500.00 like the RB532 and SR9? K, Im just kidding. Its Friday. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Leary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 7:20 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients Dang, that's as much as $100 more than a real BreezeACCESS CPE (under the AlvarionCOMNET program) without needing to piece things together so the points of failure risk and truck roll is both much smaller, not to mention a warranty and domestic supply and support. VL CPE comes with mounting hardware too and the cable. Our stuff is also all fully FCC legal. (donning flame suit now) - Patrick -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients Exactly, after you add the rootenna, you are at $348, plus International Shipping charges (if in US). Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ----- Original Message ----- From: "cw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients > http://www.star-v3.com/store/ > > $262 ea in ten packs + roo. > > Rick Smith wrote: >> Where are people buying their SR9 client setups, if at all ? >> What kind of pricing per "CPE" >> I'm looking at a couple places, and coming back with like $350 each for >> a >> rootenna / cable / SR9 / P.S. and RB112 Anyone see anything >> different ? >> R >> > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ 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