The amount of power it can do certainly has nothing to do with
certification. The Orthogon link I have prompts me for the antenna gain,
just like MT. I could theoretically plug a 48 dbi antenna into either one
and type in 3. While probably not legal, the MT would have no disadvantage
to the Orthogon in this case. Is someone going to tell me Orthogon is not
legal?
If that's the case, then the only thing non-compliant about MT is the
RouterBoards haven't been certified as a computing device (if going the PC
route).
If going the traditional route, then all we have to do is mail it off to a
lab.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: Not Babble: WAS Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
I disagree with you on this one Jack.
I've got plenty of certified products here that give me the ability to set
them for non fcc areas. All the need is a MODE that puts the device into
an FCC compatible format.
laters,
marlon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Unger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:00 AM
Subject: Not Babble: WAS Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Michael,
Just for info -
The question of being required to use a software version that denied
operation on non-US frequencies has been hanging over Mikrotik and WISPs
now for several months. Seems this is the last issue that needs to be
addressed before we will see a potential flood of Mikrotik-based
certified products because a lot of WISPs want to certify and/or use
Mikrotik-based equipment. To clear up any confusion, I submitted this
issue to the FCC via email. Here's my submission and the FCC response:
_My Submission: _
"For intentional radiators certified under Parts 15.247 and 15.401 must
the software allow operation ONLY on FCC permitted frequencies and at FCC
permitted power levels or can an equipment manufacturer submit a system
for certification that includes the ability to software-select the
country of operation as long as U.S. - FCC is included as one of the
selections?"
_FCC Response: _
"The current policy is that the manufacturer must employ some mechanism
on devices marketed in US so that the devices will not transmit in
unauthorized frequencies, and the mechanism must be outside of control of
the users. Therefore the method you mentioned is not permitted."
Michael, as you suggest, it is not difficult to submit questions to the
FCC. Your questions go a bit beyond mine therefore I welcomed your offer
to submit your questions to the FCC. I don't consider myself "vocally"
pushing anything. I just want to see more WISPs be able to have access to
low-cost certified equipment so 1) They won't put themselves and their
businesses at risk of high monetary fines and possible shutdowns, and 2)
The industry as a whole will benefit once we shed this "outlaw" image and
are seen as responsible business operators.
Please do *go ahead* and submit your questions to the FCC as you offered.
I'm sure that the answers will be appreciated by a lot of WISPs.
Respectfully,
jack
Michael Erskine wrote:
Ryan,
A few of you are making a lot of noise.
You seem to want to talk a lot about how MT is not certified and you say
"but if it were"...
Ryan, Why haven't you and those so vocal gone to the FCC with this
question already?
The FCC is but a telephone call away.
http://www.fcc.gov/
It never ceases to amaze me how men and women of obvious intelligence
will debate ad nasuiem
about how some government agency will rule on some topic, but never will
they find the courage
to simply call that agency and ask them. Rather they will wait till
someone suggests it and then
after all the debate and posturing, say, "Yeah, Go ahead! You call
them."
What a joke.
-m-
Ryan Langseth wrote:
On Mon, 2007-06-11 at 01:09 -0400, Michael Erskine wrote:
Rick;
I think that your opinion is like mine, both informed and experienced.
I am perfectly comfortable with my opinion. And I did not get into an
argument, or even suggest one was somehow a good idea.
That said, let me also say this. If I don't have to have my router
boards certified without radios because they are not intentional
radiators, then when I add an FCC certified card to them I still don't
have to have them certified because they are still what they were.
If you tell me that every PC running a pci wireless card has to be
certified then I'll go with suggesting that a single board computer,
which is designed to be a router, should also be certified like all
those PC's otherwise, Rick, I think that both you and Dawn are
incorrect.
1) drivers for the wireless card do not allow you to adjust power. 2)
comes with a small rubber ducky ant, not a 15db sector.
This discussion has come up on this list at probably least a dozen
times
since I have joined (less than a year ago). MT is not certified, end of
chapter. Ask MT they will, most likely, tell you the same thing.
Like I said, I think your opinion is like mine, both informed and
experienced. I don't think you, or I, or Dawn, have the last word in
this matter and I'd be happy to take the issue up with the FCC to get
a reading from them.
Do this, I would like to read the next chapter, if they can get
certified though the PC method, I would take a look at their product.
Ryan
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