Tom, You act surprised and shocked that the FCC listened to the two biggest technology companies in the world, rather than a small group of WISP's. It's pretty much normal politics, even at the FCC. The person with the biggest checkbook always wins. ALWAYS. It would be nice to see things open up and them allow us some more frequency space with better power limits, but I don't think anyone should be holding out for that to happen. It's obvious the direction they have chosen to go with this spectrum. It was like a judge reading a verdict in a courtroom... they always start out on one side explaining that side (broadband), and then they switch to the other side and give their ruling. :( It's too bad they couldn't even give us a small amount of higher power frequency space. Even having just 25mhz could of made a world of difference. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: Butch,Then, the "music" turned to "noise"....You hit the nail right on the head, with your comment.They talked up broadband, but then gave us Personal portable instead, and said, "but we really need to consider PTP, CLECs and Carriers are also a very important part of broadband delivery".. The problem was not the WISPA messengers or message, Jack, Steve and FCC committee did an awesome job, about as good as humanly possible. But the commission obviously was not listening, or chose to ignore us. What was clear is that they hear Google and Microsoft loud and clear. Atleast, we know where we stand now. We also have a focused goal moving forward. The rules are still easy to fix, if the FCC will allow it. All they have to do is waive the magic wand and change "100mw" to "4w" (at least for non-adjacent channels), and it'll be fixed. We can survive in UNlicensed we've done it from day one, but we can't survive without adequate power. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ----- Original Message ----- From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Wispa List" <wireless@wispa.org> Cc: "WISPA Members List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:34 PM Subject: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...Commissioner Adelstein has long been a pretty good friend of our industry. In truth, I have not always agreed with him, but in his comments today he made a couple of statements that were "music to my ears". Then, the "music" turned to "noise".... "White spaces are the blank pages on which we will write our broadband future." I can't agree more. He also said: "Today’s decision is consequential to our nation’s future because wireless broadband has the potential to improve our economy and quality of life in even the remotest areas." Again, when I heard this, I thought he must REALLY "get it". Then, he went on to say this: "Unlicensed spectrum holds by far the most promise for maximizing the use of white spaces. Our balanced approach in this order provides the flexibility and low barriers to entry needed to provide an opportunity for everyone to make the best use of this under-used spectrum. It also implements safeguards to protect those that already make valuable use of the spectrum." WHAT? The "most promise"? I'm not horribly disappointed about the overall likely outcome of the rules, but how can he think that unlicensed at 100mW is going to "maximize the use" of anything? Unlicensed used has not been bad for us as WISPs in the past, but these power levels will not give us anywhere near the useful spectrum that the WISPA suggested "licensed lite" approach could have offered. I won't continue in disecting his statement since most of it was not something I am very positive about. All talk today centered around point-to-point deployments and nothing about ptmp. This is not a perfect scenario, but it's not a total loss. I strongly suggest that all interested parties (that's you if you are a WISP) at least read the statements and news release at http://www.fcc.gov/ and see for yourself. I don't think the decisions were a total loss. We did get geolocation, which is very important to WISPA's position. We also got adjacent channel space, which was very unexpected. The only real problems I see are the lack of sufficient power, which is because they chose unlicensed over license lite. Our FCC committee worked very hard to get us to this point. I don't think any of us realize how much time Jack Unger and Steve Coran put into this issue on our behalf over the past 2-3 weeks. If you have not personally thanked them, you really should take a minute to do so. My personal take on this is that they wanted to do "something" but not too much. I think I sense a "new battleground" forming when the new commission takes over next year. It is for this reason, that I urge ALL OF YOU (me, too) to do 3 things over the next few months: 1. If you are not already, become a WISPA member. We would not be at this point without your financial support. 2. If you have not already done so, become familiar with WHY the TVWS are (or will be) beneficial to you and your network. This will prepare you for the upcoming fight. 3. Join the debates which are sure to come over the next few weeks to help WISPA prepare to continue the fight for this most valuable of spectrums for our cause. -- ******************************************************************** * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * ********************************************************************---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WISPA Wants You! 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