There is a ton of licensed 6 GHz systems already deployed. They make you use a larger antenna so the beamwidth is narrower. I allows more frequency reuse due to lower sidelobes and less footprint. We are in a rural area and sometimes they have a hard time finding us a pair of 50 MHz channels to use @ 6 GHz. The propagation characteristics are much better for our 60 mile hops. Not sure we could even get it to work at 18 GHz, possibly 11. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...
> Ok, that opens up a useful conversation..... > > Why is that? > 11Ghz and 18Ghz have plenty of free channels with 2-4ft antennas.allowed. > I don't see anywhere near as many 6ft antennas hanging on towers as I do > 2-4ft antennas, inferring that the concept of larger antenna is not > translating to larger deployment. > I get a tremendous amount of re-use with 5.8Ghz unlicensed and 2ft dishes. > > So why is the same not achievalbe with 6Ghz, if allowed a 3ft antennas? > Is the 1 degree really going to make that much of a difference? > Is 6 Mhz really that much more deployed and saturated? > And why not do it under the same premise as 11Ghz, where the smaller > antenna > is "secondary" and must defer to the primary lciesne of the larger size > antenna? > > The fact is.... 6Ghz equipment is on the shelf, and there is unused > spectrum > available, I'd love to be able to use it. I don;t think I have one tower > or > property owner that would allow a 6ft antenna to be installed. 6ft > requirement is effectively creating a huge barrier to entry. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brad Belton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:43 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... > > >> As much as I'd love to be able to use smaller antennas than 6' with 6GHz >> that is a real bad idea. It's hard enough finding an available 6GHz freq >> pair in some areas today. Allowing smaller antennas would likely mean >> even >> fewer available freq pairs. >> >> Best, >> >> >> Brad >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi >> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:06 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting >> today... >> >> Yes. A bettter use of time and spectrum is to fight for smaller antennas >> to >> be allowed on 6Ghz. >> Sorta like what was jsut done to 11Ghz. >> >> The 6ft requirement is a preventer for many. But that argument doesn;t >> hold >> for Whitespace as Whitespace antennas would be bigger.. >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:12 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting >> today... >> >> >>>I can't understand why there's all this discussion of PtP... aren't >>>there >>> already MANY bands established for PtP, including some (6 GHz) that have >>> quite some range to them? >>> >>> >>> ---------- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:27 PM >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting >>> today... >>> >>>> Butch, >>>> >>>>> Then, the "music" turned to "noise".... >>>> >>>> You hit the nail right on the head, with your comment. >>>> >>>> They talked up broadband, but then gave us Personal portable instead, >>>> and >>>> said, "but we really need to consider PTP, CLECs and Carriers are also >>>> a >>>> very important part of broadband delivery".. >>>> >>>> The problem was not the WISPA messengers or message, Jack, Steve and >>>> FCC >>>> committee did an awesome job, about as good as humanly possible. But >>>> the >>>> commission obviously was not listening, or chose to ignore us. What was >>>> clear is that they hear Google and Microsoft loud and clear. Atleast, >>>> we >>>> know where we stand now. >>>> >>>> We also have a focused goal moving forward. The rules are still easy to >>>> fix, >>>> if the FCC will allow it. All they have to do is waive the magic wand >>>> and >>>> change "100mw" to "4w" (at least for non-adjacent channels), and it'll >>>> be >>>> fixed. We can survive in UNlicensed we've done it from day one, but we >>>> can't >>>> survive without adequate power. >>>> >>>> Tom DeReggi >>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "Wispa List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Cc: "WISPA Members List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:34 PM >>>> Subject: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... >>>> >>>> >>>>> Commissioner Adelstein has long been a pretty good friend of our >>>>> industry. In truth, I have not always agreed with him, but >>>>> in his comments today he made a couple of statements that were >>>>> "music to my ears". Then, the "music" turned to "noise".... >>>>> >>>>> "White spaces are the blank pages on which we will write our >>>>> broadband future." >>>>> >>>>> I can't agree more. He also said: >>>>> >>>>> "Today?s decision is consequential to our nation?s future because >>>>> wireless broadband has the potential to improve our economy and >>>>> quality of life in even the remotest areas." >>>>> >>>>> Again, when I heard this, I thought he must REALLY "get it". Then, >>>>> he went on to say this: >>>>> >>>>> "Unlicensed spectrum holds by far the most promise for maximizing >>>>> the use of white spaces. Our balanced approach in this order >>>>> provides the flexibility and low barriers to entry needed to provide >>>>> an opportunity for everyone to make the best use of this under-used >>>>> spectrum. It also implements safeguards to protect those that >>>>> already make valuable use of the spectrum." >>>>> >>>>> WHAT? The "most promise"? I'm not horribly disappointed about the >>>>> overall likely outcome of the rules, but how can he think that >>>>> unlicensed at 100mW is going to "maximize the use" of anything? >>>>> Unlicensed used has not been bad for us as WISPs in the past, but >>>>> these power levels will not give us anywhere near the useful >>>>> spectrum that the WISPA suggested "licensed lite" approach could >>>>> have offered. I won't continue in disecting his statement since >>>>> most of it was not something I am very positive about. >>>>> >>>>> All talk today centered around point-to-point deployments and >>>>> nothing about ptmp. This is not a perfect scenario, but it's not a >>>>> total loss. I strongly suggest that all interested parties (that's >>>>> you if you are a WISP) at least read the statements and news release >>>>> at http://www.fcc.gov/ and see for yourself. >>>>> >>>>> I don't think the decisions were a total loss. We did get >>>>> geolocation, which is very important to WISPA's position. We also >>>>> got adjacent channel space, which was very unexpected. The only >>>>> real problems I see are the lack of sufficient power, which is >>>>> because they chose unlicensed over license lite. Our FCC committee >>>>> worked very hard to get us to this point. I don't think any of us >>>>> realize how much time Jack Unger and Steve Coran put into this issue >>>>> on our behalf over the past 2-3 weeks. If you have not personally >>>>> thanked them, you really should take a minute to do so. >>>>> >>>>> My personal take on this is that they wanted to do "something" but >>>>> not too much. I think I sense a "new battleground" forming when the >>>>> new commission takes over next year. It is for this reason, that I >>>>> urge ALL OF YOU (me, too) to do 3 things over the next few months: >>>>> >>>>> 1. If you are not already, become a WISPA member. We would not be >>>>> at this point without your financial support. >>>>> >>>>> 2. If you have not already done so, become familiar with WHY the >>>>> TVWS are (or will be) beneficial to you and your network. This will >>>>> prepare you for the upcoming fight. >>>>> >>>>> 3. Join the debates which are sure to come over the next few weeks >>>>> to help WISPA prepare to continue the fight for this most valuable >>>>> of spectrums for our cause. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ******************************************************************** >>>>> * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* >>>>> * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * >>>>> * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * >>>>> * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * >>>>> ******************************************************************** >>>> >>>> >>>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---- >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---- >>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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