IIRC Bridgewave has a 100 mbps solultion for less than $8k?
Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 3:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? If you need less than 100mbps and 5-9 reliabilty, you are better off in all factors and comparisons, staying with Licensed 18Ghz or 23Ghz or 24Ghz. It will cost less, and be less risk of future maintenance. E_Band has all sorts of reflection problems. For example, "rain puddle" can cause a harmful reflection. Do not push the path study limit of Eband or FSO, or you'll be sorry. 1.2 km is pushing the specs, of the cost effective models of those product lines. (PS. but opinion based on my D2 rain zone) If you NEED faster speeds than 300mbps, and have Short links with conservative link budgets, Eband/FSO will work fine. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Greene" <maill...@webjogger.net> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? > Hey all, > > Following up on this thread ... > > First off, thanks to those who've offered advice off-list. It's been very > helpful. > > Looks like we're seriously considering Trango Apex 18GHz ... our used > Dragonwave lead didn't pan out. > > A couple other options have come up, too: E-Band's E-Link 1000 (~75GHz > licensed, at a promotional price) or Cablefree G1500 (a 780nm FSO > product). > > Anyone have any experience / feedback regarding either of these two > products > (or companies)? > > Again, we're trying to create a 1.2 km urban link in an ITU-R rain region > K > zone, really only need 100Mbps, need ~5 9's of reliability, and sub-$13k > (price is an object). > > Thanks, > Adam > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:48 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? > > >> You can go Dragonwave 24 Ghz Unlicensed >> >> >> Gino A. Villarini >> g...@aeronetpr.com >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >> tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Adam Greene >> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:41 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? >> >> Just to resuscitate this thread ... >> >> We have a 1.2Km urban link, really only need 100Mbps, need ~5 9's of >> reliability. >> >> We have deployed Mikrotik 5.3GHz and Radwin 5.3GHz and are getting >> interference. We've also gotten interfered with on Alvarion VL 5.8. >> >> We'd like to do 80GHz Bridgewave, but it's too expensive. >> >> 60GHz Bridgewave doesn't have enough reliability according to the link >> budget calculations. >> >> Without actually taking a spectrum analyzer to the location, what >> suggestion would anyone have about the best frequency & radio to deploy, >> to minimize interference issues, get ~100Mbps throughput and not pay >> more than ~$13,000 (including advance replacement warranty)? >> >> We're thinking Trango Apex or Dragonwave ... >> >> Thanks, >> Adam >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Brad Belton" <b...@belwave.com> >> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:56 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? >> >> >>> Half mile? Ours is almost 2.5miles in an RF unfriendly rain zone. >> The >>> link >>> has been up for more than a year and the client has been thrilled. So >>> thrilled in fact that we've got another planned for them with a >> roadmap of >>> more to follow. >>> >>> They're happy with the price and we're happy with the profit at that >>> price. >>> No reason to race to the bottom with yet another product when the >> market >>> clearly supports the current price point. >>> >>> Again, what are the options available today that can produce 1Gbps >> with >>> AES256 encryption at line speed? The encryption alone can be valued >> at >>> $10k >>> - $20k depending on who you ask. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> >>> Brad >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >>> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi >>> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:24 PM >>> To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? >>> >>> I fully agree. >>> >>> I'll add... the value of millimeterwave is 80Ghz, to actually have a >>> license >>> >>> for next to free. The FCC created that for provider's benefit, not for >>> manufacturers to charge us more and put the savings in their pockets. >> The >>> truth is that 80Ghz takes the same cost to make as 60Ghz. But for some >>> reason the manufacturers try to charge s premium, a lot more for the >>> 80Ghz. >>> I get pissed off everytime I think about it. It just holds the >> industry >>> back >>> >>> for no good reason. >>> >>> We aren't to the $8000 figure yet including licenses, but we are >> getting >>> really close with Trango Apex's. Its just a matter of time, before >> Trango >>> adds 24Ghz to their line. And Dragonwave is doing 24Ghz pretty darn >> close >>> to >>> >>> the goal. Thats my point on why 80Ghz vendors need to get it >> togeather >>> and >>> rethink their business plans. Their high profit ride on the specialty >>> short >>> >>> range market, isn't going to last forever, when 24/23Ghz can do it for >> 1/3 >>> the price. Most people would rather save money. >>> >>> They are going to have to bring 80Ghz to the $8 range to keep making >>> sales, >>> before to long. >>> >>> I'm not knocking the Bridgewve technology, its a great product. Sure >> for >>> that half mile link, it can really get the highest capacity to its >> buyer. >>> But how many of those $30k links will a WISP need? Maybe 1 or 2? I >> can >>> count 500 buildings off the top of my head that can justify use of a >> $10k >>> radio. >>> >>> Tom DeReggi >>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "can...@believewireless.net" <p...@believewireless.net> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:52 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? >>> >>> >>>>A customer came to us looking for gigabit speeds between buildings and >> had >>>> the money to pay for it. So, we quoted an 80GHz link w/2ft antennas >> with >>>> over 2 hours of down time and a licensed Dragonwave link that would >> do >>>> 300Mbps w/5 minutes of downtime at half the price. >>>> Once they saw both in the proposal, the response was, "We really >> don't >>>> need >>>> a full gigabit. 300Mbps should be fine." >>>> >>>> We have both 60 and 80GHz Bridgewave links and Trango Giga and Apex >>>> links. >>>> Bridgewave's are definitely the way to go for short hops where they >> are >>>> cheaper than doing a licensed link. However, if Trango or Dragonwave >>>> offered a 24GHz link that could do 100Mbps or more for $8k, we'd be >> all >>>> over >>>> it and almost never think of Bridgewave. Obviously Bridgewave's >> SLE100 >>>> can >>>> do it at that price, but even in our urban environment, customers >> tend to >>>> be >>>> outside of the 1/2 mile range. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Tom DeReggi >>>> <wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Brad, >>>>> >>>>> Well, it can't with 2 radios. But it can with Dragonwave DUO >> combining 4 >>>>> links for a total of 1400mbps. And Trango Apex at 700mbps is getting >>>>> pretty >>>>> close. >>>>> But that is not my point. I personally do not think that peak >> capacity >>>>> is >>>>> the big factor in a buying decission for WISPs.. >>>>> Once you are in the 400mb + range, over subscription is your friend. >>>>> >>>>> What matters is getting distance, and increasing reliabilty, and >>>>> affording >>>>> to buy and install as many links as possible. >>>>> >>>>> WISPs don't need 1GB, but they could benefit from 80Ghz. Bridgewave >>>>> needs >>>>> more affordable 80Ghz models, that compete with the speeds that >> Apexes >>>>> and >>>>> Horizons can deliver. This is exactly why Bridgewave has been left >>>>> behind >>>>> this year in sales. WISPs are telling BRidgewave to take a hike, and >>>>> embracing companies like Trango and Dragonwave, that have technology >>>>> less >>>>> trouble to deploy. >>>>> >>>>> Sure if you need 1GB, and its to the building down the street, OK >> then, >>>>> Bridgewave can win that one. But 99% of the links that need to be >> bought >>>>> and >>>>> deployed, don't need to be 1GB. I'd rather pay 1/3 the price, and >> get >>>>> my >>>>> ROI in one year. >>>>> >>>>> Bridgewave also has a hidden cost. The cost to pay for speed before >> you >>>>> need >>>>> it, before customers are reimbursing you for it, and the finance >> costs >>>>> on >>>>> that. >>>>> Its ironic to pay finance costs on bandwdith before it is even being >>>>> used. >>>>> If I have a ROI of one year, I have a much lower finance cost per >> link. >>>>> Sure >>>>> if you have a RUS loan at 3-5% that probably isn't a bad problem. >> But at >>>>> typical lease fees (20%), that adds up to easily doubling the cost >> of >>>>> procurement over 3-5 years. >>>>> >>>>> I've always felt Bridgewave to be overpriced, and because of they >>>>> attempt >>>>> to >>>>> get top dollar for the rare circumstances where it is worth that, >> they >>>>> loose >>>>> huge amounts of market share, to companies like Trango and >> Dragonwave, >>>>> that >>>>> fit a much wider set of diverse needs. >>>>> >>>>> Tom DeReggi >>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Brad Belton" <b...@belwave.com> >>>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:49 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > Last I checked the DragonWave fell short of BridgeWave in raw >>>>> > throughput/payload capacity. The AR80X-AES we have deployed will >>>>> > produce >>>>> > line speed 1000Mbps with AES256 encryption. I don't think >> DragonWave >>>>> > can >>>>> > pull that off. If so, please share the details as we're close to >>>>> > deploying >>>>> > another BridgeWave link. >>>>> > >>>>> > Best, >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Brad >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>> > On >>>>> > Behalf Of 3-dB Networks >>>>> > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:34 PM >>>>> > To: 'WISPA General List' >>>>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? >>>>> > >>>>> > Tom, >>>>> > >>>>> > The last quotes I have done have put Bridgewave much cheaper than >>>>> > Dragonwave >>>>> > for 1.2Gpbs... although Dragonwave by far has a range benefit to >> it. >>>>> > >>>>> > Daniel White >>>>> > 3-dB Networks >>>>> > http://www.3dbnetworks.com >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>-----Original Message----- >>>>> >>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>> >>On >>>>> >>Behalf Of Tom DeReggi >>>>> >>Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:51 PM >>>>> >>To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List >>>>> >>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? >>>>> >> >>>>> >>Bob, >>>>> >> >>>>> >>I think you are right. (To give Ceragon credit where credit is >> due). >>>>> >>Although, I'm positive Dragonwave was the first to do it with >> 366mbps >>>>> >>per >>>>> >>radio ODU with Ethernet. >>>>> >>Ceragon was stuck at 200-250mbps per ODU for a while there. >>>>> >> >>>>> >>Its important to note that breaking the 350mbps barrier, and radio >>>>> >>combining >>>>> >>(for double) was a core accomplishment, that put the value >> proposition >>>>> >>of >>>>> >>6-23Ghz above that of inexistence 80Ghz technology with multiple >> hops, >>>>> >>to >>>>> >>deliver near equivellent capacity, at lower cost. >>>>> >> >>>>> >>Tom DeReggi >>>>> >>RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>>> >>IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >>----- Original Message ----- >>>>> >>From: <lakel...@gbcx.net> >>>>> >>To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> >>Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:53 PM >>>>> >>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>I believe (but not sure) Ceragon was the first with a DPRM mount. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> But agree with everything else >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> :-) >>>>> >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> >>> From: "Tom DeReggi" <wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:32:12 >>>>> >>> To: WISPA General List<wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Good advice Bob, but I'll add.... There is a purpose for each >> model, >>>>> >>and >>>>> >>> for >>>>> >>> that matter also a specific manufacturer, and all ODU is not >> always >>>>> >>the >>>>> >>> best >>>>> >>> choice. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> For example... Trango boasts several core benefits, for some >>>>> >>> circumstances. >>>>> >>> Its Giga Split archetiecture allows Coax installs to extend up >> to >>>>> >>1000ft. >>>>> >>> (Dragonwave's Coax split Archetecture, still has limits to >> 150-200 >>>>> >>feet or >>>>> >>> so, according to their docs.). Trango's Apex allows optional >> Fiber >>>>> >>> termination with a very easilly accessible connectors. >> (Dragonwave >>>>> >>> on >>>>> >>the >>>>> >>> other hand has the Fiber connectors poorly located, that require >>>>> >>taking >>>>> >>> the >>>>> >>> case apart in order to reach them.) Because of this, for long >> cable >>>>> >>> deployments, I prefer Trango. Or if on short deadline, and Freq >>>>> >>Coords >>>>> >>> not >>>>> >>> complete, Trango equipment can be ordered in advance of >> completion >>>>> >>because >>>>> >>> they can support more channels per ODU model. (For example, 18 >> and >>>>> >>> 23 >>>>> >>Ghz >>>>> >>> only have one ODU Pair choice). Its also important to note, it >>>>> >>should >>>>> >>> not >>>>> >>> be midunderstood the purpose of Trango Gigas's 4 ports. They are >>>>> >>Private >>>>> >>> VLAN. This is really great for when a link needs to be shared. >> For >>>>> >>> example, >>>>> >>> Port 1 for the customer that paid to get the link installed. >> Port2 >>>>> >>> for >>>>> >>the >>>>> >>> ISP's other traffic to serve other clients in the building. >> This is >>>>> >>> enabled >>>>> >>> with zero complexity, that way. The far end switch/router >> equipment >>>>> >>do >>>>> >>> not >>>>> >>> need configuration or being the same to accommodate segregation. >>>>> >>> This >>>>> >>is >>>>> >>> not >>>>> >>> useful for all installs, but in some cases, this is a unique >>>>> >>> benefit. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Dragonwave offers different benefits... For example... The >> Airpair >>>>> >>> supports >>>>> >>> a whole wealth of different ODU Radios that can be interchanged >> with >>>>> >>the >>>>> >>> Indoor rack unit. If one doesn't buy advanced replacement >>>>> >>> warrantees, >>>>> >>its >>>>> >>> much cheaper to just order in an ODU seperately, than a Full >> outdoor >>>>> >>> radio. >>>>> >>> I'd rather float $3000 to get a replacements ODU in, than >> $12,000 >>>>> >>> for >>>>> >>a >>>>> >>> full >>>>> >>> Horizon. We'd use All ODU models where we have live backup >> links in >>>>> >>> place, >>>>> >>> and can afford to wait for a Manufacturer replacement. With >> that >>>>> >>said, >>>>> >>> we >>>>> >>> love All ODU units, it makes for a much quicker/simpler install, >>>>> >>> with >>>>> >>Zero >>>>> >>> Footprint needed inside. This is great for MTU buildings, where >> they >>>>> >>need >>>>> >>> to >>>>> >>> be installed in small closets, or penthouse walls. The >> Dragonwaves >>>>> >>were >>>>> >>> the >>>>> >>> first to be able to combine radios for double the capacity, so >> more >>>>> >>> expandabilty. Airpair offers 25% more capacity than the Trango >>>>> >>> giga, >>>>> >>> where >>>>> >>> split archetecture is needed. Dragonwave offers a dealer >> channel >>>>> >>> for >>>>> >>> those >>>>> >>> that will benefit from it. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Tom DeReggi >>>>> >>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>>> >>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> >>> From: "Bob Moldashel" <lakel...@gbcx.net> >>>>> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> >>> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 6:37 PM >>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> Well....a couple of notes... >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> I personally would use an all ODU version because it makes >>>>> >>>> servicing >>>>> >>a >>>>> >>>> breeze and also swapping out a bad radio quick and simple. No >>>>> >>guessing >>>>> >>>> about is it the indoor unit, is it the outdoor unit, is it the >>>>> >>interface >>>>> >>>> cable??? Get an all ODU like the Dragonwave Horizon and you >> run >>>>> >>>> CAT5 >>>>> >>>> and you're done. If you get a cable issue you either can't log >> in >>>>> >>>> or >>>>> >>see >>>>> >>>> no handshake with your switch/router or..If one of the POE >> lines >>>>> >>>> are >>>>> >>bad >>>>> >>>> your radio will continue to reboot. Troubleshoot the radio on >> the >>>>> >>ground >>>>> >>>> with a patch cable and you rule out your cabling system. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Like was mentioned elsewhere here if you are concerned with >> theft >>>>> >>>> you >>>>> >>>> can lock the radios in place. This can be done by putting a >>>>> >>>> security >>>>> >>>> screw in place of the grounding screw and use a cable assembly >> to >>>>> >>lock >>>>> >>>> it up. If the theft concern is that high you should probably >>>>> >>>> consider >>>>> >>>> another location. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> With weather being a concern you could always install a second >>>>> >>parallel >>>>> >>>> link on the same antenna using a DPRM mount. Then if one link >> fails >>>>> >>the >>>>> >>>> other could be engaged to carry the traffic. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> I do not see this link really working (high 9's reliability) >>>>> >>>> without >>>>> >>4' >>>>> >>>> antennas. That of course leads to new mounting issues. At 6 >> Ghz. >>>>> >>>> you >>>>> >>>> are looking at 6' minimum dishes. Figure 600-800 lbs per >> antenna >>>>> >>with >>>>> >>>> mount not to say the least about cost, shipping and >> installation. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> I personally like Dragonwave for 2 reasons. 1 - The service >>>>> >>>> facility >>>>> >>is >>>>> >>>> in this part of the hemisphere which allows me to get equipment >>>>> >>>> overnight in emergencies. 2 - One year advanced replacement is >>>>> >>>> only >>>>> >>>> $500/year per radio. Allows me to sleep easily. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> This does not mean I do not like Ceragon. They are just doing >> some >>>>> >>>> growing pains things at the moment and most of the stuff is >>>>> >>>> serviced >>>>> >>>> overseas unless it is an interface or something simple. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Dragonwave support is very responsive though you do have to >> leave >>>>> >>your >>>>> >>>> name with a service and they call you back. I have installed >> more >>>>> >>than >>>>> >>>> 45 Dragonwave links in the past 2 years and have only had 2 >>>>> >>>> failures. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> There are other options but history, price or delivery will >> kill >>>>> >>>> them >>>>> >>as >>>>> >>>> an option. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> And stay away from equipment that does switching for you. Do >> all >>>>> >>>> your >>>>> >>>> control external to the radio. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Bob >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Paolo Di Francesco wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear All, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> we are considering to move to licensed frequencies for back >>>>> >>>>> hauling >>>>> >>and >>>>> >>>>> therefore some hints would be really appreciated. We are >> looking >>>>> >>>>> at >>>>> >>2 >>>>> >>>>> main manufacturers (Ceragon/Dragonwave) so the problem is >> "which >>>>> >>>>> one >>>>> >>>>> fits better for our needs"? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Just to summarize: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> a) links are around 20-25 miles >>>>> >>>>> b) antennas: the smaller the better >>>>> >>>>> c) robustness is very important >>>>> >>>>> d) average life: 3 years >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >From what I have read in the data sheets I have done the >>>>> >>>>> >following >>>>> >>>>> considerations: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1) Dragonwave Horizon is nice but only if your site is well >>>>> >>protected >>>>> >>>>> from "sabotage and stealing". The "all outdoor" approach is >> nice >>>>> >>>>> but >>>>> >>it >>>>> >>>>> has the drawback that if somebody takes the whole unit they >> will >>>>> >>have a >>>>> >>>>> brand new unit working. With the IDU/ODU approach they will >> have >>>>> >>only >>>>> >>>>> half of the "banknote", so after the first or second time, >> they >>>>> >>>>> will >>>>> >>not >>>>> >>>>> spend time having something useless. >>>>> >>>>> 2) Dragonwave Horizon can be a problem if you don't use fiber >> from >>>>> >>the >>>>> >>>>> unit down to your switch. In few words, we have sites with >> huge >>>>> >>amount >>>>> >>>>> or EM fields, so even using shielded cables (e.g. Belden >> 1300A) we >>>>> >>get >>>>> >>>>> only few ethernet megabits. So we should use fiber to go up >> the >>>>> >>tower, >>>>> >>>>> but maybe be IDU/ODU approach is more robust (comments >> welcome). >>>>> >>>>> 3) All outdoor means that when you have to re-use the devices >>>>> >>somewhere >>>>> >>>>> else, you have to buy a whole new thing instead of just >> swapping >>>>> >>>>> the >>>>> >>>>> ODU. >>>>> >>>>> 4) In any case the (all outdoor or IDU/ODU) when the tower is >>>>> >>>>> frozen >>>>> >>>>> (and when I mean frozen I mean a whole block of ice) then it >> does >>>>> >>not >>>>> >>>>> change much, you have to wait the better season to work on >> that. >>>>> >>>>> 5) Performances look more or less the same. >>>>> >>>>> 6) I don't know much about prices, I have looked on some >> website, >>>>> >>>>> I >>>>> >>am >>>>> >>>>> still exploring this aspect >>>>> >>>>> 7) Is anybody using the software-switch capabilities on this >>>>> >>>>> devices >>>>> >>or >>>>> >>>>> just using them as transparent bridges for your router/switch? >> Do >>>>> >>you >>>>> >>>>> need to reset them often? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Comments are welcome. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Am I missing some other good brand? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>----------- >>>>> >>>> WISPA Wants You! 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