I'd say that the issue is not really related to WDS but the fact that
WDS is just a way to connect APs peer to peer. There needs to be some
sort of intelligence on top of that that chooses channels, paths, etc.
Something more than STP or any other algorithm that doesn't understand
wireless. :) Then even if the algorithm understands wireless, if you
are using a single radio solution, there is considerable throughput lost
per hop due to this. So ideally you would dedicate wireless interfaces
to each task of uplink, downlink, and serving customer (except the
gateway that has a wired uplink).
That's my take on it.
-Hal
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:40:46 -0430
Mr. Bledsoe,
I've heard it said that WDS isn't the best option for mesh because
under WDS each AP is going to repeat every packet regardless of the
physical location and whether or not the data needs to pass that AP in
order to get from the gateway AP to the AP the client for whom the
data is for is associated with. It sounds like WDS works because of a
shotgun approach, and routing be it STP or what ever just prevents
loops. The folks that say this claim that for the best mesh
performance, for "true mesh" one must use the adhoc mode so that only
the AP nodes in the route of the data flow transmit that data. The
folks that say this claim that WDS is not mesh, at least in their book.
Would you concur?
Greg
On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Harold Bledsoe wrote:
> Well there is also the mesh part too. Is this what you guys are
> talking
> about when you say MT mesh: http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds
>
> If so, I would disagree that this is a "good" mesh implementation.
> There are many, many more factors to consider when building an
> infrastructure mesh. The LigoMesh products take into account signal
> strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the
> best
> path. Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service
> set
> to give high performance.
>
> On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure
> mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and
> should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website
> with
> the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and
> outdoor selections).
>
> I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and
> there is certainly a place for each one. Just be sure you know what
> you
> are getting!
>
> -Hal
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430
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> Mr. Burgess,
>
> What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears
> the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it
> sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't
> see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly
> detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too
> much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So
> because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the
> leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such
> as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point.
>
> Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that
> bad?
>
> Greg
> On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
>
>> Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that
>> and it works :)
>>
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>> e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
>>> MT and a consultant ;)
>>>
>>> /me laughing while running for cover
>>>
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Scott Vander Dussen <sc...@velociter.net>
>>>
>>> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03
>>> To: WISPA General List<wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
>>>
>>>
>>> Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city
>>> just for kicks. Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get
>>> my feet wet and have some fun.
>>>
>>> I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it
>>> worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free. Was hoping
>>> there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I
>>> could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and
>>> someone will mention MT). Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises
>>> would be cool. How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that
>>> works on those that could mesh? Very new to mesh - thanks in
>>> advance.
>>>
>>> `S
>>>
>>> PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and
>>> how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play
>>> which != MT. (:
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