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On Apr 22, 2009, at 8:35 PM, "Jeff Booher" <jefftho...@fastmail.fm> wrote: > All, > > I work for a vendor ( Aperto ) so take this as you will. Like most > vendors out there there are differences for everything. Veccima is a > pico > solution, which means that they are using a wavesat chipset on the > base and > CPE, so the major difference between veccima and alvarion and Aperto > would > be PPS, QOS, features, throughput, and scalablity. > > Aperto and Redline are pretty close in PPS, and alvarion and veccima > are > less, with Airspan and tranzeo having the lowest pps. From a cost > perspective it looks like this: > > Pricing > > Redline : 1 ( 3 sector base 30k street, cpe 400 ) > Alvarion: 2 (3 sector base 24k street, cpe 350-400 ) > Airspan 3 ( 3 sector base 22k street, cpe 400-500 ) > Aperto: 4 ( 3 sector base 20k street, cpe 280-400 ) > Veccima: 5 (3 sector base 17k street, cpe 250-350) > Tranzeo 6: ( 3 sector base 6k street, cpe 250-350 ) > > > PPS / # of clients supported realistically > 1. Aperto ( 30k pps / sector ) > 2. Redline claims to be in the same range, but I havent verifed this > 3. Alvarion ( 4000 pps ) > 4. Veccima ( same range as alvarion ) > 5. airspan ( low ) > 6. Tranzeo ( only supports 30 clients ) > > Throughput: Almost everyone supports around 20mb / sec on a 7mhz > channel, > except alvarion which only supports 12mb on a 5mhz channel. > > The biggest factors to consider is PPS if you are doing voice or > want to > support a high # of subs per tower site, as you are limited to 3 > channels in > 3.65ghz. Price is a consideration, but the biggest issue with > Tranzeo is > they have no sync port on the base station so you could have > interference > issues when you try to deploy 3 on a tower ( you need 14mhz > seperation if > you don't have sync with wimax ) > > So in conclusion- want a cheap solution to support 30 subs of a single > sector? Tranzeo is a good bet. Want something more carrier class? > Redline or > Aperto are a good fit. > > The final consideration is QOS. We recently were selected by a > customer > because of this and when they compared EVERYONE here we had by far > the most > Stable quality of service, and by far the most networking features. > Aperto > also holds several wimax patents in regards to QOS. > > Finally we also have multiple frequenices, like 5.8, 5.4, 4.9, 2.5 > solutions > so you wont be tied to one band. I think only Airspan supports 5ghz in > Wimax, except for us. > > Jeff Booher > > Director of Sales, North America > www.apertonet.com > jboo...@apertonet.com > jefftho...@fastmail.fm > 24/7: 206-455-4950 > > This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/ > or work > product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, > reliance or > distribution by others without express permission is strictly > prohibited. If > you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and > delete all > copies. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of Christopher Hair > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 11:58 AM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650Mhz and Wimax Vendors > > We're also looking to deploy Wimax at a couple of our tower > locations to > provide higher bandwidth to business customers and take a load off > some of > our 900 APs. One vendor we are looking at is Vecima Networks. Anyone > out > there using VistaMAX 3.65 GHz from Vecima. I would be very > interested in > some real world experiences with this vendor. Pro and cons... > > Thanks in Advance > > Chris > > > > > What he said. :) > > Seriously I'm interested in actual experiences. Not moans and gripes > and arm > chair speculation. I'm very interested in deploying Wimax technology > and > want real world information and actual operator feedback. > > Michael Baird wrote: >> Matt, >> >> I appreciate your perspective, but I've already read through the >> archives and with Wimax technology what was valid yesterday might not >> be valid today. I'm not interested in a holy war, we are certainly >> going to deploy Wimax in the near future, I just want to set >> expectations properly before we are mounting the gear on the tower, >> and reading marketing info from Alverion/Tranzeo/Aperto certainly >> doesn't help clear up the differences and advantages to the >> technology. >> >> Regards >> Michael Baird >>> Those of us operators who actually have experience in the field with >>> the gear tend to avoid posting to threads about WiMAX because the >>> threads quickly devolve. I suggest you read the archives of this >>> mailing list. To summarize though; operators who use WiMAX like it >>> and think the technology is actually different and better than what >>> else is out there. The people who don't use WiMAX think it is >>> overpriced and not particularly interesting. >>> >>> -Matt >>> >>> On Apr 22, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Charles Wyble wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I'm looking for more operational experience and end user >>>> experience. >>>> Certainly good technology contributes to that, but that isn't my >>>> primary goal. >>>> >>>> >>>> Michael Baird wrote: >>>> >>>>> It was interesting, but I was hoping for some more first hand >>>>> experience reporting. Essentially the only explanation for >>>>> improved >>>>> range was a lower noise floor, which isn't a wimax thing, but a >>>>> 3.65 thing. I think a lot of the 802.16d/e talk is market speak, >>>>> I'm trying to get through that and establish technical reasons why >>>>> one or the other is superior. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Michael Baird >>>>> >>>>>> So the recent thread on Wimax was quite interesting. I need to >>>>>> read up on the different technologies involved. I believe that a >>>>>> fixed deployment is sufficient for many many many needs and >>>>>> markets (wireless local loop if you will). If people want >>>>>> mobility/end user wireless they can hang an 802.11 AP off the >>>>>> ethernet port of whatever CPE. Wimax directly to the end device >>>>>> doesn't make much sense to me, in most markets and use cases. >>>>>> Obviously if you are supporting a highly mobile workforce (say >>>>>> public sector type stuff) then it makes a lot more sense. >>>>>> >>>>>> It got me thinking... if one was a new WISP entering an >>>>>> un(der)served market, it seems that it would not make sense to >>>>>> deploy standard >>>>>> 802.11 >>>>>> gear, but rather Wimax gear in 3650Mhz. Is this an accurate >>>>>> assessment? >>>>>> >>>>>> One particular area that I'm targeting, doesn't have any >>>>>> broadband >>>>>> available (other then 3g from Verzion). So they would need to >>>>>> purchase CPE anyway, and it wouldn't be anything they could get >>>>>> from Best Buy (DSL or Cable modem). >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm in the process of negotiating access to the excluded areas >>>>>> (in >>>>>> Southern California), but it's been slow going. Once I gain >>>>>> access >>>>>> it will open up many areas to some sorely needed competition. >>>>>> >>>>>> So who are the vendors in this space worth considering? >>>>>> What are peoples experiences with the sales process (both pre and >>>>>> post sales engineering) etc etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > --- > --- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- >>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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