Exactly I you don't need long 10' coax lines 

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-----Original Message-----
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:48 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB333/433 eliminating self-interference test


Another quick note...  if you have individual units why even mount them
like this inside a larger box?  Why not put individual RB411s in their
own small box (say DCE 7x6x2) and put the box outside right under the
antenna?  
Then you would have even more seperation and distribute you eggs a bit
more too...

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102

-------- Original Message --------
> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <k...@wavelinc.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:36 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> Subject: [WISPA] RB333/433 eliminating self-interference test
> 
> About a week ago there was some discussion about 5ghz radio's being 
> installed in the same board and causing self-interference on adjacent 
> channels and possible even on the entire band thus decreasing 
> throughput
on
> backhauls. Because even if you were operating on frequency's 5745 and
5825
> the two radio's would have side lobe harmonics that if installed in 
> the
same
> enclosure they would still "hear" each other at that short of
separation. 
I
> decided to combat this problem and find a solution and share my
experience
> with the list. 
> 
>  
> 
> I installed a single XR5 card into 3 different RB433's with indoor 
> enclosures. I also installed foil tape which I obtained from the local
True
> Value store for $2.49 on all the vent holes and unused bulkhead
connector
> holes. This was done in order to prevent RF side lobe leaks from the
three
> radio's that would escape from the indoor enclosures themselves. 
> Having
only
> 1 card inside each enclosures I should not have a heat problem as the 
> outdoor box will not be in direct sunlight.
> 
>  
> 
> I then stacked all 3 enclosures on top of each other with dummy loads 
> on each of the N-bulkhead connectors and did some testing. This is 
> what I
> found:
> 
>  
> 
> I set the bottom board as AP and the middle board as Client on 
> frequency 5825. Even with this close of separation the two XR5's could

> only see
each
> other at -83 on the same channel. With the top board connecting to the

> bottom board they could only see each other at -90. Keep in mind this 
> is
on
> the same frequency so adjacent channels should be much less than that 
> possibly even in the -100 ranges. Wish I had a spectrum analyzer. With
two
> boards separating the AP and Client there was no link at all. The two
boards
> could not even see each other in an AP scan.
> 
>  
> 
> Just as a comparison with the same radio's installed all on a RB600 
> not
on
> top of each other but in the adjacent mpci slots the radio's were all
seeing
> each other at -30's. So I gained roughly -55 db of separation by doing
it
> this way. So all I would have to do now is make sure that the antennas
on
> the tower have at least 10 foot of vertical separation and the 
> self-interference problem should be gone and I should be enjoying much
more
> throughput!
> 
>  
> 
> Thoughts anyone?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
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