Thanks Scott. I'd like to see this all clarified as well. Guess I must have read things differently than you and was not as certain that the answers were definitive.
Randy Scott Carullo wrote: > Randy, > > Dumb question.... If you are a wisp what would be the motivation to > certify a "kit"? > > Its been clearly stated that you can take the RB, a radio card and stick it > in an enclosure and use it to your hearts content legally per FCC / UL > rules. Why would anyone do anything other than just use the parts - except > if you are reselling the gear... I think that's where you run into the > issue of having to have the whole system certified vs just buying and using > the parts. > > Is that correct? lol sorry to be such a pita but I'd like some definitive > answers just once so I can put this to bed... > > Questions I ask myself... > > 1) Ok, Its legal and perfectly accepted for me to buy a RB411, a XR5, a > PoE-24i, an ARC 5Ghz Gen 2 Enclosure put it all together and use it for my > on network or customers all day long every day (assuming I'm legal power, > correct bands etc)... > True or False > > 2) Assuming #1 above is True - I cannot sell this equipment as a Brevard > Wireless Model 500 ptp radio bridge on the retail market without getting > the whole system certified as a "kit" including all parts, documentation, > power supplies etc... > True or False > > 3) If #1 and #2 above are both true, I'm clear thanks conversation over. > If either one is false we have a lot more to talk about... > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > > -------- Original Message -------- > >> From: "Dennis Burgess - Linktechs" <dmburg...@linktechs.net> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:08 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >> >> I belive you must purchase hardware directly from MT to be a >> > distributor. > >> * ----------------------------------------------------------- >> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> WISPA Vendor Member* >> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net >> <http://www.linktechs.net/> >> */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* >> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> >> >> The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the >> > Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended > only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which > >> it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. >> > Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any > action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than > the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you > >> received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material >> > from any computer. > >> >> >> >> >> Randy Cosby wrote: >> >>> Can we clarify what a "distributor" is, and what a "reseller" is as far >>> > > >>> as Mikrotik is concerned for this program? Can a wisp (are they >>> resellers?) get permission from Mikrotik to certify a kit? Where can >>> > we > >>> find out more on this? Are there distributors who will do on behalf of >>> > > >>> a wisp? >>> >>> Randy >>> >>> >>> Mike Delp wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I think that what Dennis was trying to say is. You have to be a >>>> > Mikrotik > >>>> Distributor, and follow their documentation to be able to use their >>>> > lab > >>>> testing certification. Distributors are effectively MT agents using >>>> > their > >>>> already completed certification testing. Anyone can take some parts >>>> > and > >>>> have them lab tested and certified as a system. Mikrotik has already >>>> > gone > >>>> through the expense of testing in a lab, and they have a program to >>>> > make > >>>> these certifications available from the distributors. So, there is a >>>> difference in having parts listed as certified, and having a complete >>>> > system > >>>> with a sticker on it. The sticker makes it complete. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Scott Carullo >>>> > <sc...@brevardwireless.com>wrote: > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I'm pretty sure the FCC and the testing labs don't care who you are >>>>> > or > >>>>> where you buy your stuff... thats not what they are looking for. >>>>> > Example > >>>>> - I choose to take 4 parts (some mikrotik) and get them certified - >>>>> > I > >>>>> can.... Do you see this differently? >>>>> >>>>> Scott Carullo >>>>> Brevard Wireless >>>>> 321-205-1100 x102 >>>>> >>>>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: "Dennis Burgess - Linktechs" <dmburg...@linktechs.net> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:43 PM >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>>>>> >>>>>> First, you have to be a distributor of MT to be able to certify. It >>>>>> > has > >>>>>> to be a certified system, as well has to have all of the images, >>>>>> > text > >>>>>> etc on it as well. You can only get those if you are a MT >>>>>> > distributor. > >>>>>> * ----------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >>>>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> >>>>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>>>>> WISPA Vendor Member* >>>>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net >>>>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/> >>>>>> */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* >>>>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> >>>>>> >>>>>> The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by >>>>>> > the > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is >>>>> > intended > >>>>> only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >>>>>> > material.. > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking >>>>> > of any > >>>>> action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities >>>>> > other than > >>>>> the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the >>>>>> > material > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> from any computer. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Randy Cosby wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Can you explain what you mean by "certified" then? What does that >>>>>>> entail other than just putting together a board, antenna and radio >>>>>>> > that > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> are fcc certified? Do you have the entire unit tested and >>>>>>> > certified, > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> or >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> do yo see that as not necessary? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Randy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Eje Gustafsson wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cross roads are certified with the entire Pacific Wireless line >>>>>>>> > of > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> antennas. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> R52 is certified with most of those as well (if not all). You can >>>>>>>> > also > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> use >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> XR2/5 cards in RB SBC's. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are other solutions as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We offer some certified pre built solutions more to come. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> / Eje Gustafsson >>>>>>>> CTO >>>>>>>> WISP-Router, Inc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>>>>>> > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> On >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:56 PM >>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Old thread, but just curious where this has progressed. I've >>>>>>>> > seen > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> that >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> JeffSoHoCo has "certified" gear. Is that based on the same >>>>>>>> > Mikrotik > >>>>>>>> program you describe here Mac? Is that information available >>>>>>>> > from > >>>>>>>> Mikrotik to any reseller? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Randy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mac Dearman wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Word on the FCC certified gear is that they are working with >>>>>>>>> > USA > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> based >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> resellers to get them up to speed to offer certified gear. It's >>>>>>>>> > all > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> in the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> paperwork at this point in time and we all know that the devil is >>>>>>>>> > in > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> paperwork. It is on its way from what I understand and should be >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> readily >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> available in the near future. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>>>>>>>> > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> ] >>>>> On >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:12 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mikrotik has the Crossroads device out now. Not sure on anyone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> else. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> think Mikrotik developing their own certified CPE shut down >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> everyone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> else. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: "Travis Johnson" <t...@ida.net> >>>>>>>>>> To: <isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com>; "WISPA General List" >>>>>>>>>> <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:37 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I thought a little while ago someone was talking about someone >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> that >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> working on making an FCC certified Mikrotik solution (RB532, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> etc.). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Does >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> anyone know the status on this or if it was even real? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Travis >>>>>>>>>>> Microserv >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----------- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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