I read the rules a few years ago because of the laptop question. My understanding is: if the SBC is Part B compliant if the radio board is certified with the antenna it is OK. Which, I believe, is what Eje said.
Scott Carullo wrote: > Eje Gustafsson says this is not the case or elsewhen I buy a minipci > wireless card for my laptop it would be illegal... > > You guys please come to conclusion so we can move to #2 > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > > -------- Original Message -------- > >> From: "Dennis Burgess - Linktechs" <dmburg...@linktechs.net> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:13 PM >> To: "sc...@brevardwireless.com" <sc...@brevardwireless.com>, "WISPA >> > General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >> >> Scott, Thats not the case, you have to have the Mikrotik FCC Sticker >> > etc.. > >> To your questions. >> >> 1. Nope >> 2. Nope. >> >> >> * ----------------------------------------------------------- >> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> WISPA Vendor Member* >> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net >> <http://www.linktechs.net/> >> */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* >> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> >> >> The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the >> > Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended > only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which > >> it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. >> > Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any > action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than > the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you > >> received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material >> > from any computer. > >> >> >> >> >> Scott Carullo wrote: >> >>> Randy, >>> >>> Dumb question.... If you are a wisp what would be the motivation to >>> certify a "kit"? >>> >>> Its been clearly stated that you can take the RB, a radio card and >>> > stick it > >>> in an enclosure and use it to your hearts content legally per FCC / UL >>> > > >>> rules. Why would anyone do anything other than just use the parts - >>> > except > >>> if you are reselling the gear... I think that's where you run into the >>> > > >>> issue of having to have the whole system certified vs just buying and >>> > using > >>> the parts. >>> >>> Is that correct? lol sorry to be such a pita but I'd like some >>> > definitive > >>> answers just once so I can put this to bed... >>> >>> Questions I ask myself... >>> >>> 1) Ok, Its legal and perfectly accepted for me to buy a RB411, a XR5, a >>> > > >>> PoE-24i, an ARC 5Ghz Gen 2 Enclosure put it all together and use it for >>> > my > >>> on network or customers all day long every day (assuming I'm legal >>> > power, > >>> correct bands etc)... >>> True or False >>> >>> 2) Assuming #1 above is True - I cannot sell this equipment as a >>> > Brevard > >>> Wireless Model 500 ptp radio bridge on the retail market without >>> > getting > >>> the whole system certified as a "kit" including all parts, >>> > documentation, > >>> power supplies etc... >>> True or False >>> >>> 3) If #1 and #2 above are both true, I'm clear thanks conversation >>> > over. > >>> If either one is false we have a lot more to talk about... >>> >>> Scott Carullo >>> Brevard Wireless >>> 321-205-1100 x102 >>> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> >>> >>>> From: "Dennis Burgess - Linktechs" <dmburg...@linktechs.net> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:08 PM >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>>> >>>> I belive you must purchase hardware directly from MT to be a >>>> >>>> >>> distributor. >>> >>> >>>> * ----------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> >>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>>> WISPA Vendor Member* >>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net >>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/> >>>> */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* >>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> >>>> >>>> The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the >>>> > > >>>> >>>> >>> Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended >>> > > >>> only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which >>> >>> >>>> it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >>>> > material. > >>>> >>>> >>> Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of >>> > any > >>> action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other >>> > than > >>> the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you >>> >>> >>>> received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the >>>> > material > >>>> >>>> >>> from any computer. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Randy Cosby wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Can we clarify what a "distributor" is, and what a "reseller" is as >>>>> > far > >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> as Mikrotik is concerned for this program? Can a wisp (are they >>>>> resellers?) get permission from Mikrotik to certify a kit? Where can >>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>> >>> we >>> >>> >>>>> find out more on this? Are there distributors who will do on behalf >>>>> > of > >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> a wisp? >>>>> >>>>> Randy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mike Delp wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I think that what Dennis was trying to say is. You have to be a >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> Mikrotik >>> >>> >>>>>> Distributor, and follow their documentation to be able to use their >>>>>> > > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> lab >>> >>> >>>>>> testing certification. Distributors are effectively MT agents using >>>>>> > > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> their >>> >>> >>>>>> already completed certification testing. Anyone can take some parts >>>>>> > > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> and >>> >>> >>>>>> have them lab tested and certified as a system. Mikrotik has already >>>>>> > > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> gone >>> >>> >>>>>> through the expense of testing in a lab, and they have a program to >>>>>> > > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> make >>> >>> >>>>>> these certifications available from the distributors. So, there is >>>>>> > a > >>>>>> difference in having parts listed as certified, and having a >>>>>> > complete > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> system >>> >>> >>>>>> with a sticker on it. The sticker makes it complete. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Scott Carullo >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> <sc...@brevardwireless.com>wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm pretty sure the FCC and the testing labs don't care who you are >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> or >>> >>> >>>>>>> where you buy your stuff... thats not what they are looking for. >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> Example >>> >>> >>>>>>> - I choose to take 4 parts (some mikrotik) and get them certified - >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> I >>> >>> >>>>>>> can.... Do you see this differently? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Scott Carullo >>>>>>> Brevard Wireless >>>>>>> 321-205-1100 x102 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: "Dennis Burgess - Linktechs" <dmburg...@linktechs.net> >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:43 PM >>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> First, you have to be a distributor of MT to be able to certify. >>>>>>>> > It > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>> has >>> >>> >>>>>>>> to be a certified system, as well has to have all of the images, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>> text >>> >>> >>>>>>>> etc on it as well. You can only get those if you are a MT >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>> distributor. >>> >>> >>>>>>>> * ----------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >>>>>>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> >>>>>>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>>>>>>> WISPA Vendor Member* >>>>>>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net >>>>>>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/> >>>>>>>> */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* >>>>>>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>> the >>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> intended >>> >>> >>>>>>> only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>> material.. >>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >>>>>>> > taking > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> of any >>> >>> >>>>>>> action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> other than >>> >>> >>>>>>> the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>> material >>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> from any computer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Randy Cosby wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Can you explain what you mean by "certified" then? What does >>>>>>>>> > that > >>>>>>>>> entail other than just putting together a board, antenna and >>>>>>>>> > radio > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> that >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> are fcc certified? Do you have the entire unit tested and >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> certified, >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> do yo see that as not necessary? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Randy >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Eje Gustafsson wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cross roads are certified with the entire Pacific Wireless line >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> of >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> antennas. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> R52 is certified with most of those as well (if not all). You >>>>>>>>>> > can > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> also >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> use >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> XR2/5 cards in RB SBC's. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There are other solutions as well. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We offer some certified pre built solutions more to come. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> / Eje Gustafsson >>>>>>>>>> CTO >>>>>>>>>> WISP-Router, Inc. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> On >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:56 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Old thread, but just curious where this has progressed. I've >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> seen >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> JeffSoHoCo has "certified" gear. Is that based on the same >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> Mikrotik >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> program you describe here Mac? Is that information available >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> from >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Mikrotik to any reseller? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Randy >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mac Dearman wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Word on the FCC certified gear is that they are working with >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> USA >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> based >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> resellers to get them up to speed to offer certified gear. It's >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> all >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> in the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> paperwork at this point in time and we all know that the devil >>>>>>>>>>> > is > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> in >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> paperwork. It is on its way from what I understand and should >>>>>>>>>>> > be > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> readily >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> available in the near future. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> ] >>>>>>> On >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:12 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mikrotik has the Crossroads device out now. Not sure on >>>>>>>>>>>> > anyone > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> else. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>> think Mikrotik developing their own certified CPE shut down >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> everyone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> else. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Travis Johnson" <t...@ida.net> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: <isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com>; "WISPA General List" >>>>>>>>>>>> <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:37 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought a little while ago someone was talking about >>>>>>>>>>>>> > someone > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> working on making an FCC certified Mikrotik solution (RB532, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> etc.). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Does >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone know the status on this or if it was even real? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Travis >>>>>>>>>>>>> Microserv >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ----------- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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