Our contract has the number of months and the start date at the top. I would imagine as long as you're paying, you're in contract and must abide by the terms and conditions.
Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:15 PM, RickG <rgunder...@gmail.com> wrote: > For how long? 1 year or for life? > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Mike Hammett<wispawirel...@ics-il.net> > wrote: > > I think I learned in high school business law class that payment of a > bill > > constitutes agreement with a contract. > > > > > > ----- > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "RickG" <rgunder...@gmail.com> > > Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:47 PM > > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Electronic Signatures > > > >> Right on TOS and AUP but not the contract. If I understand contractual > >> agreements correctly, all terms must be clear to both parties. So, > >> just cause I pay a bill doesnt mean I understand my full obligations > >> such as length of terms, etc. I suspect that presenting the actual > >> contract electronically when the customer signs up provides full > >> disclosure but I'd love to hear from anyone that is using it now an > >> dif their lawyer blessed the proceedure. > >> -RickG > >> > >> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:57 PM, D. Ryan Spott<rsp...@cspott.com> wrote: > >>> I think in most states paying the bill obligates you to the terms of > >>> service/contract. > >>> > >>> ryan > >>> > >>> Charles Wyble wrote: > >>>> Ah. Gotcha. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks for clarifying. > >>>> > >>>> RickG wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Having an AUP is fine but it doesnt spell out the terms of a specific > >>>>> obligation between you & the end user. The big carriers obligate you > >>>>> to two year contracts when you agree online so I'm assuming we can do > >>>>> the same. > >>>>> -RickG > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Charles Wyble<char...@thewybles.com > > > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> The big carriers don't require a signature on a contract. They also > >>>>>> don't do (free/near free) installs either. I don't know if there is > a > >>>>>> signed contract if you pay for an install. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yes I realize this is a very important differentiator that we can > >>>>>> provide, however I don't feel a signed contract is necessary. An AUP > >>>>>> is > >>>>>> an excellent idea as a general rule, however if they are transiting > >>>>>> bits > >>>>>> on your network, you have the right and obligation to defend that > >>>>>> network. If you don't, you risk other operators dropping traffic > from > >>>>>> your IP rnage /AS. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Your free to enforce your AUP with impunity. Failure to do so is the > >>>>>> sole reason that "bits of evil" reach our border routers. A few > simple > >>>>>> route filters, and spam/botnets would be stopped. Subscribe to the > >>>>>> Don't > >>>>>> Route Or Peer List from Spamhaus > >>>>>> (http://www.spamhaus.org/drop/index.lasso), and monitor outbound > >>>>>> traffic. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> *sighs* > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Martha Huizenga wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Exactly, we send the contract with the install and then get it back > >>>>>>> when > >>>>>>> the install is done. Works fine. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Jason Hensley wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Wow. Seems like a waste of time and resources. If I mailed > contracts > >>>>>>>> like > >>>>>>>> that here I'd lose half my install opportunities because they > would > >>>>>>>> never > >>>>>>>> send the contract back. Send a contract with the installer, get > them > >>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> sign it before they install, give one copy to customer, bring one > >>>>>>>> back, done > >>>>>>>> deal. If nothing else, get an electronic as an initial > confirmation, > >>>>>>>> then > >>>>>>>> get an actual signature at install. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: > wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > >>>>>>>> On > >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Scott Reed > >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 6:42 AM > >>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List > >>>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Electronic Signatures > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> We currently use a two-year contract for customers. Right now we > >>>>>>>> gather > >>>>>>>> the information, generate a contract, USMail it to the customer > and > >>>>>>>> wait > >>>>>>>> for them to USMail it back after they sign it before we schedule > an > >>>>>>>> installation. 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