Thats fine in paper form. How about electronic? (i.e website signup). -RickG
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Josh Luthman<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: > Our contract has the number of months and the start date at the top. > > I would imagine as long as you're paying, you're in contract and must abide > by the terms and conditions. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:15 PM, RickG <rgunder...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> For how long? 1 year or for life? >> >> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Mike Hammett<wispawirel...@ics-il.net> >> wrote: >> > I think I learned in high school business law class that payment of a >> bill >> > constitutes agreement with a contract. >> > >> > >> > ----- >> > Mike Hammett >> > Intelligent Computing Solutions >> > http://www.ics-il.com >> > >> > >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------- >> > From: "RickG" <rgunder...@gmail.com> >> > Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:47 PM >> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Electronic Signatures >> > >> >> Right on TOS and AUP but not the contract. If I understand contractual >> >> agreements correctly, all terms must be clear to both parties. So, >> >> just cause I pay a bill doesnt mean I understand my full obligations >> >> such as length of terms, etc. I suspect that presenting the actual >> >> contract electronically when the customer signs up provides full >> >> disclosure but I'd love to hear from anyone that is using it now an >> >> dif their lawyer blessed the proceedure. >> >> -RickG >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:57 PM, D. Ryan Spott<rsp...@cspott.com> wrote: >> >>> I think in most states paying the bill obligates you to the terms of >> >>> service/contract. >> >>> >> >>> ryan >> >>> >> >>> Charles Wyble wrote: >> >>>> Ah. Gotcha. >> >>>> >> >>>> Thanks for clarifying. >> >>>> >> >>>> RickG wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> Having an AUP is fine but it doesnt spell out the terms of a specific >> >>>>> obligation between you & the end user. The big carriers obligate you >> >>>>> to two year contracts when you agree online so I'm assuming we can do >> >>>>> the same. >> >>>>> -RickG >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Charles Wyble<char...@thewybles.com >> > >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> The big carriers don't require a signature on a contract. They also >> >>>>>> don't do (free/near free) installs either. I don't know if there is >> a >> >>>>>> signed contract if you pay for an install. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Yes I realize this is a very important differentiator that we can >> >>>>>> provide, however I don't feel a signed contract is necessary. An AUP >> >>>>>> is >> >>>>>> an excellent idea as a general rule, however if they are transiting >> >>>>>> bits >> >>>>>> on your network, you have the right and obligation to defend that >> >>>>>> network. If you don't, you risk other operators dropping traffic >> from >> >>>>>> your IP rnage /AS. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Your free to enforce your AUP with impunity. Failure to do so is the >> >>>>>> sole reason that "bits of evil" reach our border routers. A few >> simple >> >>>>>> route filters, and spam/botnets would be stopped. Subscribe to the >> >>>>>> Don't >> >>>>>> Route Or Peer List from Spamhaus >> >>>>>> (http://www.spamhaus.org/drop/index.lasso), and monitor outbound >> >>>>>> traffic. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> *sighs* >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Martha Huizenga wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Exactly, we send the contract with the install and then get it back >> >>>>>>> when >> >>>>>>> the install is done. Works fine. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Jason Hensley wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Wow. Seems like a waste of time and resources. If I mailed >> contracts >> >>>>>>>> like >> >>>>>>>> that here I'd lose half my install opportunities because they >> would >> >>>>>>>> never >> >>>>>>>> send the contract back. Send a contract with the installer, get >> them >> >>>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>>> sign it before they install, give one copy to customer, bring one >> >>>>>>>> back, done >> >>>>>>>> deal. If nothing else, get an electronic as an initial >> confirmation, >> >>>>>>>> then >> >>>>>>>> get an actual signature at install. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: >> wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> >>>>>>>> On >> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Scott Reed >> >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 6:42 AM >> >>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >> >>>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Electronic Signatures >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> We currently use a two-year contract for customers. 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