Sorry Marlon; you'll have to show me. Not only is there no burial depth requirement for limited energy circuits, such as telephone, and data, but the installation you speak of was done by a communications utility, making it exempt from any NEC rules.
NEC does talk about low voltage <30V landscape lighting and it must be buried at least 6 inches. I use that direct burial cable with no icky pick, but looks and feels like lanolin. It has a PVC jacket, moves with frost heave, and lasts forever. Not that I have done it more than a few times, but would MUCH rather do it that way than go overhead if I have a choice. Mike At 08:51 PM 10/13/2009, you wrote: >It's 18" everywhere, that's NEC rules. I tell people what code is then let >them handle the ditch... > >Also, we NEVER direct bury anymore. Eventually the gophers or something >will get it, and you just can't splice this cable either (at least *I* >won't). > >We put all underground in conduit nowadays. Life is sooo much better this >way. >marlon > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Curtis Maurand" <cmaur...@xyonet.com> >To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 12:23 PM >Subject: Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule > > > > > > I would never do it that way. too much chance of someone crunching it > > if its not down far enough. ground expands and thaws and that can sever > > a cable. I know this doesn't classify as electrical, but electrical > > code around here is 18" deep. > > > > --C > > > > Mike wrote: > >> No you don't. I have *several* direct burials just inches down. I > >> dug them just the way I said. There's nothing to freeze? My > >> business IS in the frozen north; Iowa. > >> > >> At 12:22 PM 10/13/2009, you wrote: > >> > >> > >>> You must be in the south where the ground doesn't freeze. Up here in > >>> the great white north, you need to go down 18 inches. > >>> > >>> --C > >>> > >>> Mike wrote: > >>> > >>>> When I was a young man, a writer, I was idealistic and ready to > >>>> conquer the world. In short order I grew up and lost my > >>>> idealism. Since starting this business I have regained some of > >>>> > >>> that idealism. > >>> > >>>> My experience is the opposite. I usually take care of those > >>>> customers who need minor help with things THEY consider part of MY > >>>> network. I would not have gone overhead unless there was no way to > >>>> trench. Direct burial cable is cheap. A trench can be made with a > >>>> power edger with a new blade. An aerial should be tied to a > >>>> supporting rope or wire. > >>>> > >>>> Most of my customers knew they couldn't get Internet except slow > >>>> dialup before we came along. Is it loyalty? A new company has been > >>>> selling in my county off of their cellular towers. I have only lost > >>>> 2 customers to them. > >>>> > >>>> Never underestimate the power of good customer service. > >>>> > >>>> Mike > >>>> > >>>> At 07:58 PM 10/12/2009, you wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> I used to think that but I have found no matter how much you give > >>>>> away, there is no loyalty! The monthly rate is all most care about. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Mike <m...@aweiowa.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> If it is a good customer, I'd either do it for nothing, or for > >>>>>> materials. You may just retain that customer for the next two years > >>>>>> because of your good will. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If he is prepared for $50 and its easy and doesn't take you long, > >>>>>> you can say give me $20.00 for the cable and the custom ends, and > >>>>>> we'll call it even. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Either way, you'll make a friend/keep a customer; and they do talk. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Our hourly billing is $60. 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