There are a lot of counties in eastern Kentucky that have way too many mountains & trees for me. They've begged for us to come out there but I'm not up to that task! -RickG
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Marlon K. Schafer <o...@odessaoffice.com>wrote: > I think so. > > 24 million just seems to be such a large number when you take into account > the well known underreporting of our industry segment (and perhaps > others?). > > It's hard to imagine that all of our hard work thus far has left so many > homes untouched. > > At a lowly 40% take rate and $20 per month per account that's $288,000,000 > in MONTHLY revenue left sitting idle. It just makes no sense to me. I > can't get my arms around the idea that we've left that many homes with no > options. > > I can see 24 million households with no service. I just can't see that > many > with no access to service. Heck, I have people that still have dialup > internet even though they are within spitting distance of a tower. Do they > count as one of the 24 million? > > laters, > marlon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck Bartosch" <ch...@clarityconnect.com> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 3:06 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ > > > > So, the salient points are, as I understand it (correct me if I'm wrong): > > > > (1) Brian's numbers are 24 million currently HAVE NO ACCESS TO SERVICE. > > His number DOES NOT INCLUDE the number who have access but have chosen > not > > to subscribe. > > > > (2) You haven't seen the underlying data yourself because much of it is > > private data that you didn't purchase yourself. You get to see the > > analysis from it because Brian HAS purchased it and combined it with > > publicly available data. > > > > Chuck > > > > On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:46 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > > > >> Heya Brian, > >> > >> That's the take I had on this. That the number of households services > >> was > >> based on the 477 data. I didn't see any other data sets that would give > >> an > >> indication of the number of actually services households. > >> > >> If the study is based only on the consumers reported via the 477 it's > >> likely > >> to be quite inaccurate. > >> > >> People in government etc. are often quite amazed at the number of > >> customers > >> that I service out here. And I'm just one of a great many companies > >> offering services in the area. > >> > >> I'm trying to get a handle on what additional sources of fact based > >> information are out there. It's important to know what the real number > >> is > >> and yours seems very high to me. I don't think it'll be helpful in the > >> long > >> term if we have a number that gets blown out of the water in the > upcoming > >> census. > >> > >> marlon > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Brian Webster" <bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com> > >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:00 PM > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ > >> > >> > >>> Marlon, > >>> Read this take rate brief I wrote with one of the data companies I work > >>> with. It will take you about 10 minutes. It goes in to specific detail > >>> of > >>> how the study was conducted and the sources of the data. It was written > >>> for > >>> the 10 minute managers of the world. The key to being able to come up > >>> with > >>> the numbers was having the data at the census block level in the first > >>> place. Prior to July of this year there were no sources that I am aware > >>> of. > >>> The only information drawn from the form 477 is the total number of > >>> residential subscribers by state. The number of households without > >>> access > >>> to > >>> broadband has no relationship to the 477 data. That should be spelled > >>> out > >>> in > >>> the report. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Thank You, > >>> Brian Webster > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on > >>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:32 PM > >>> To: WISPA General List > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ > >>> > >>> > >>> OK, as I understand that the report is based upon the 477 data? > >>> marlon > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: Jack Unger > >>> To: WISPA General List > >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:41 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ > >>> > >>> > >>> Marlon, > >>> > >>> See the attached report. Go to Table 2 on page 11. Look at the last > cell > >>> in the lower, right-hand corner. > >>> > >>> jack > >>> > >>> > >>> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > >>> I still don't buy that number in the first place. I wish I knew more > >>> about > >>> how Brian came up with it. > >>> > >>> What % of rural households does that work out to be? > >>> marlon > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Jack Unger" <jun...@ask-wi.com> > >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:27 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ > >>> > >>> > >>> Sorry but this article (accidentally or intentionally) misses or (more > >>> likely) ignores the point that 24 or more million occupied American > >>> households have no access to broadband. The WSJ is merely a mouthpiece > >>> (especially now that Rupurt Murdoch owns it) for the telcos. > >>> > >>> jack > >>> > >>> > >>> Jeff Broadwick wrote: > >>> > >>> > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870365210457465250160837655 > >>> 2.ht > >>> ml?mod=WSJ_Opinion_AboveLEFTTop > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> * REVIEW & OUTLOOK > >>> * JANUARY 20, 2010 > >>> > >>> A 'National Broadband Plan' > >>> One more solution in search of a problem. > >>> > >>> > >>> The Federal Communications Commission recently told Congress that it > >>> will > >>> miss a February deadline for delivering a "national broadband plan" and > >>> requested a one-month extension. If it keeps missing deadlines, nearly > >>> everyone in the U.S. might soon have high-speed Internet. > >>> > >>> As part of last year's stimulus package, Congress asked the FCC for a > >>> plan > >>> to ensure that everybody in the country has access to broadband. That's > >>> a > >>> worthy goal, but the idea of a government plan is based on a false > >>> presumption that the spread of broadband is stalled. The reality is > that > >>> broadband adoption continues apace, as does the quality and speed of > >>> Internet connections. > >>> > >>> Between 2000 and 2008, residential broadband subscribers grew to 80 > >>> million > >>> from five million, according to a study by Bret Swanson of Entropy > >>> Economics. Broadband penetration among active Internet users at home is > >>> 94%, > >>> and nearly 99% of U.S. workers connect to the Internet with broadband. > A > >>> typical cable modem today is 10 times faster than a decade ago. > Wireless > >>> bandwidth growth per capita has been no less impressive, showing a > >>> 500-fold > >>> increase since 2000. > >>> > >>> Meanwhile, U.S. information and communications technology investment in > >>> 2008 > >>> alone totalled $455 billion, or 22% of all U.S. capital investment. > >>> Nominal > >>> capital investment in telecom between 2000 and 2008 was more than $3.5 > >>> trillion. > >>> > >>> Those who favor more government control of the Internet ignore this > >>> private > >>> progress and point to international rankings. According to OECD > >>> estimates, > >>> the U.S. ranks 15th in the world in broadband penetration per capita. > >>> But > >>> because household sizes differ from country to country, and the U.S. > has > >>> relatively large households, the per capita figures can be misleading. > A > >>> better way to gauge wired broadband connections is per household, not > >>> per > >>> person. By that measure the U.S. ranks somewhere between 8th and 10th. > >>> > >>> Such comparisons will soon be moot in any case because broadband > >>> penetration > >>> is growing rapidly in all OECD countries. The Technology Policy > >>> Institute > >>> notes that "at the current rates of broadband adoption the U.S. is > >>> behind > >>> the leaders only by a number of months, and all wealthy OECD countries > >>> will > >>> reach a saturation point within the next few years." > >>> > >>> Even the Obama Justice Department seems to reject the broadband market > >>> failure thesis. "In any industry subject to significant technological > >>> change, it is important that the evaluation of competition be > >>> forward-looking rather than based on static definitions of products and > >>> services," said the Antitrust Division in a January 4 filing to the > FCC. > >>> "In > >>> the case of broadband services, it's clear that the market is shifting > >>> generally in the direction of faster speeds and additional mobility." > >>> > >>> Justice concludes that while "enacting some form of regulation to > >>> prevent > >>> certain providers from exercising monopoly control may be tempting . . > . > >>> care must be taken to avoid stifling the infrastructure investments > >>> needed > >>> to expand broadband access." > >>> > >>> No matter, the default position of the Obama Administration is that > >>> little > >>> useful happens without government, so the FCC is busy planning. > Chairman > >>> Julius Genachowski is sympathetic to net neutrality regulations that > >>> would > >>> prevent Internet service providers from using differentiated pricing to > >>> manage Web traffic. Liberal interest groups like Public Knowledge and > >>> Harvard's Berkman Center for the Internet and Society are urging the > >>> agency > >>> to reinstitute "open access" mandates that would force cable operators > >>> and > >>> phone companies to share their infrastructure with rivals at > >>> government-set > >>> prices. > >>> > >>> The irony is that the private investment and innovation of recent years > >>> have > >>> occurred in the wake of the FCC rolling back similar rules that held > >>> back > >>> telecom in the 1990s. Consumers continue to have access to more and > more > >>> broadband services, while Google, YouTube, iTunes, Facebook and Netflix > >>> originated in the U.S. > >>> > >>> Doesn't the Obama Administration have enough to do than mess with a > part > >>> of > >>> the U.S. economy that is working well? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Jeff > >>> > >>> > >>> Jeff Broadwick > >>> Sales Manager, ImageStream > >>> 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) > >>> +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) > >>> +1 574-935-8488 (Fax) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ---- > >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ---- > >>> > >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>> > >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. > >>> Network Design - Technical Writing - Technical Training > >>> Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities > Since > >>> 1993 > >>> www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ---- > >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ---- > >>> > >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>> > >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ---- > >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ---- > >>> > >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>> > >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. > >>> Network Design - Technical Writing - Technical Training > >>> Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities > Since > >>> 1993 > >>> www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> -- > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ------ > >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >>> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ------ > >>> > >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>> > >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ---- > >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ---- > >>> > >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>> > >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >>> > >> > >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >>> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>> > >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > -------------- > > Chuck Bartosch > > Clarity Connect, Inc. > > 200 Pleasant Grove Road > > Ithaca, NY 14850 > > (607) 257-8268 > > > > "When the stars threw down their spears, > > and water'd heaven with their tears, > > Did He smile, His work to see? > > Did He who made the Lamb make thee?" > > > >>From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
