Oh, I totally agree. I'm not a gambler either, I may as well just walk in, hand the first person I see 500 bucks and walk out. The experience would be pretty much the same for me.
But what Obama said was..... "You don't go buying a boat when you can barely pay your mortgage," Obama said. "You don't blow a bunch of cash on Vegas when you're trying to save for college. You prioritize. You make tough choices." I'm no longer a fan of Obama but I'll say that I see no malice in that statement. That's basic economic advice that my grandfather would have told me years ago if I would have been listening or what my wife tells me every day, again, if I were to be listening. (Long pause while you all sit and nod your heads reluctantly to the "wife" statement. We will never admit that they are right!) Vegas is just an example that everyone understands and it's true. If he would have said, "What we need to do is go put all of our money is risky ventures, cross our fingers and wait for the big payoff, like we do in Vegas" they would have applauded him.......... Wait, that's what got the globe in such a mess in the first place............. Maybe I should do what the wife says and NOT buy that 512" Jumbo-Tron for the basement from Amazon. I was really wanting that too. *sad* My favorite thing, however, is when a load of radio crap shows up and she says "What do you need more of that antenna stuff for?" with that universal female look of disapproval on her face........ Then an hour later go on about how we need to make more money. A bit of a disconnect. Bob- -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Bob, personally, I dont gamble and I believe gambling is not good stewardship of money but I do believe everyone has a right to spend their money the way they see fit. Some may call it a waste but I imagine there are plenty of items and activites that you & I probably do that could fall into the same category. Like everything in life, it should be done in moderation. For Obama, he just wants more control. -RickG On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Robert West <robert.w...@just-micro.com>wrote: > Yeah. Imagine having someone think that wasting ones money to gambling > being a bad thing and then actually saying so. As my grandmother may of > said if she ever said it..... > > "Why, I never!" > > Bob- > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:54 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show > > Ya, and they can use the business now that Obama spoke out against them! > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Jayson Baker <jay...@spectrasurf.com > >wrote: > > > Why would you not have it at Vegas, like most other conventions? Most > days > > we can fly there and back for under $100 total round-trip. Rooms are > > cheap, > > and there is plenty of other stuff to do. Oh, and free booze. :-) > > > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Blake Bowers <bbow...@mozarks.com> > wrote: > > > > > I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my > > > normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. > > > > > > Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as > > > packed > > > as > > > it was 10 years ago too. > > > > > > 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the > first > > > place I stopped at, a Drury. > > > > > > Don't take your organs to heaven, > > > heaven knows we need them down here! > > > Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Brian Webster" <bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com> > > > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show > > > > > > > > > > Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging > > in > > > > the > > > > area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the > > > > convention. > > > > There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for > > your > > > > idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the > > > > locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a > lot > > > of > > > > competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay > > > > higher > > > > airfare. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > Brian Webster > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org > ]On > > > > Behalf Of Robert West > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM > > > > To: 'WISPA General List' > > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells...... > > > > > > > > I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one > of > > > the > > > > large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only > so > > > > much > > > > I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go > > across > > > > town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same > > sort > > > > of > > > > towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way > would > > > we > > > > get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. > > > The > > > > bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more > > > > people > > > > without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event > > > that > > > > would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of > us > > > > WISP > > > > operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, > > of > > > > course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we > > use. > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, just an idea. > > > > > > > > Bob- > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > > On > > > > Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM > > > > To: WISPA General List > > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show > > > > > > > > All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your > > assumptions. > > > > > > > > I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of > > > > putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on > > that > > > > process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our > own > > > > show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had > some > > > > potential as a fund raiser. > > > > > > > > What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed > > to > > > > put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show > and > > > > then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not > > scale > > > > up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different > right > > > > now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in > > the > > > > day. > > > > > > > > Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are > > willing > > > > to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so > > > > that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP > > > > business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a > show > > > > that our members would all like to go to. They are going to do it > on > > > > a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can > spread > > > > WISPAs message beyond our own little community. Those are strong > > > > positives. > > > > > > > > Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to > > > > the project. Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is. > We > > > > will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it > isn't > > > > really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements > > go > > > > far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have > a > > > > staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it > done > > > > more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of > > doing > > > > on our own. > > > > > > > > All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an "out" > so > > > > that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to > > > > happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to > > > > get a show put on. > > > > > > > > Matt Larsen > > > > vistabeam.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > > > >> forwarding to the list. > > > >> > > > >> Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list > > rather > > > >> than to the sender? Thanks, > > > >> > > > >> Matt, understood. I'd disagree with that plan of action though. We > > > need > > > >> our own show. It should be a fund raiser for WISPA. > > > >> > > > >> Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a > show. > > I > > > >> believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event. Lower cost, more > > > > intimate > > > >> etc. > > > >> > > > >> I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the > > year. > > > > It > > > >> shouldn't take more than a few months to put something together. We > > > know > > > >> who the vendors and attendees would be. And we know, basically, > what > > > > would > > > >> need to be presented. > > > >> > > > >> The members want a show. The vendors want a show. Someone just has > > to > > > >> DO > > > > a > > > >> show. > > > >> > > > >> If we can't find anyone to run the effort that certainly changes > > things. > > > >> I'm not interested in that job (putting together a Dirtbike one for > > here > > > >> right now, it's not bad but does take time...) right now. > > > >> > > > >> laters, > > > >> marlon > > > >> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: <li...@manageisp.com> > > > >> To: "Marlon K. Schafer" <o...@odessaoffice.com> > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:53 PM > > > >> Subject: Re: [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> Marlon, > > > >>> The tentative plan with Ed's group is that we will put our efforts > > into > > > >>> his show, and that we will not be doing our own show as long as > both > > > > sides > > > >>> are happy with the performance of his show. > > > >>> Also, since we are not putting any money into it, there is no > profit > > > >>> sharing. They put in the money and the manpower, they get the > > profit, > > > > if > > > >>> there is any. Our goal in this is to build up our membership > > numbers > > > > and > > > >>> leverage their promotional and marketing efforts to get the word > out > > > > about > > > >>> WISPA and get people to the show so we can turn them into members. > > > >>> This is going to end up similar to our agreement with ISPCON, but > we > > > >>> will > > > > > > > >>> have more say in the structure and educational parts of the show. > > > >>> Also, > > > > > > > >>> it should cost us little or no money. > > > >>> Matt Larsen > > > >>> vistabeam.com > > > >>> Marlon K. Schafer writes: > > > >>> > > > >>>> Hi Matt, In the end I still think we should have our own show. How > > > >>>> clear > > > > > > > >>>> will it be made to Ed's group that we'll still be working to our > own > > > > show > > > >>>> at a later date? Also, how are we going to insure that we don't > end > > up > > > >>>> with the same problem we did with Charles for his first show? > Where > > > >>>> there is no profit to split? > > > >>>> marlon ----- Original Message ----- > > > >>>> From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <li...@manageisp.com> > > > >>>> To: <wispas...@wispa.org> > > > >>>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:59 PM > > > >>>> Subject: [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> After our visits with the people interested in the trade show and > > > >>>>> evaluating our options, Forbes and I are making the decision to > > work > > > >>>>> with Ed Meek's group to help promote their wireless show, with > > WISPA > > > >>>>> as > > > >>>>> one of the "anchors" of the show. > > > >>>>> The details are yet to be worked out. What has been discussed > so > > > far > > > >>>>> is that WISPA will be featured prominently in the promotional > > > efforts, > > > >>>>> we will provide the educational tracks for the wireless broadband > > > >>>>> section of the show and we will have considerable influence on > what > > > >>>>> events, speakers and specialized sessions (ISP-CEO type > > discussions) > > > >>>>> will be conducted as part of the show. We will also be able to > > > >>>>> re-start the WISPA awards and present them at the show. There > > was > > > >>>>> also a discussion about substantial discounts for WISPA members > to > > > >>>>> attend - enough to highly incentivise attendees to join WISPA > > before > > > > the > > > >>>>> show. > > > >>>>> Rather than putting on our own show, we will play a large part in > > > this > > > >>>>> show. 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