But it's the statement, not the man I agree with. Anyone could have said it and the logic still holds true. Besides, they took issue with the Vegas mention the irony of it all.
I thought stimulus money was for the 25 buck prostitutes in Vegas. I may be wrong. -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show >But what Obama said was..... > >"You don't go buying a boat when you can barely pay your mortgage," Obama >said. "You don't blow a bunch of cash on Vegas when you're trying to save >for college. You prioritize. You make tough choices." This is the same guy pouring out stimulus money from the same entity that is $13 trillion dollars in debt? Sounds like "Do as I say not as I do". Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Robert West <robert.w...@just-micro.com>wrote: > Oh, I totally agree. I'm not a gambler either, I may as well just walk in, > hand the first person I see 500 bucks and walk out. The experience would > be > pretty much the same for me. > > But what Obama said was..... > > "You don't go buying a boat when you can barely pay your mortgage," Obama > said. "You don't blow a bunch of cash on Vegas when you're trying to save > for college. You prioritize. You make tough choices." > > I'm no longer a fan of Obama but I'll say that I see no malice in that > statement. That's basic economic advice that my grandfather would have > told > me years ago if I would have been listening or what my wife tells me every > day, again, if I were to be listening. (Long pause while you all sit and > nod your heads reluctantly to the "wife" statement. We will never admit > that they are right!) Vegas is just an example that everyone understands > and it's true. If he would have said, "What we need to do is go put all of > our money is risky ventures, cross our fingers and wait for the big payoff, > like we do in Vegas" they would have applauded him.......... > > Wait, that's what got the globe in such a mess in the first > place............. Maybe I should do what the wife says and NOT buy that > 512" Jumbo-Tron for the basement from Amazon. I was really wanting that > too. *sad* > > > My favorite thing, however, is when a load of radio crap shows up and she > says "What do you need more of that antenna stuff for?" with that universal > female look of disapproval on her face........ Then an hour later go on > about how we need to make more money. A bit of a disconnect. > > Bob- > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:46 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show > > Bob, personally, I dont gamble and I believe gambling is not good > stewardship of money but I do believe everyone has a right to spend their > money the way they see fit. Some may call it a waste but I imagine there > are > plenty of items and activites that you & I probably do that could fall into > the same category. Like everything in life, it should be done in > moderation. > For Obama, he just wants more control. > -RickG > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Robert West > <robert.w...@just-micro.com>wrote: > > > Yeah. Imagine having someone think that wasting ones money to gambling > > being a bad thing and then actually saying so. As my grandmother may of > > said if she ever said it..... > > > > "Why, I never!" > > > > Bob- > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of RickG > > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:54 AM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show > > > > Ya, and they can use the business now that Obama spoke out against them! > > > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Jayson Baker <jay...@spectrasurf.com > > >wrote: > > > > > Why would you not have it at Vegas, like most other conventions? Most > > days > > > we can fly there and back for under $100 total round-trip. Rooms are > > > cheap, > > > and there is plenty of other stuff to do. Oh, and free booze. :-) > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Blake Bowers <bbow...@mozarks.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my > > > > normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. > > > > > > > > Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as > > > > packed > > > > as > > > > it was 10 years ago too. > > > > > > > > 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the > > first > > > > place I stopped at, a Drury. > > > > > > > > Don't take your organs to heaven, > > > > heaven knows we need them down here! > > > > Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Brian Webster" <bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com> > > > > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited > lodging > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the > > > > > convention. > > > > > There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit > for > > > your > > > > > idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the > > > > > locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a > > lot > > > > of > > > > > competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to > pay > > > > > higher > > > > > airfare. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > > Brian Webster > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: > wireless-boun...@wispa.org > > ]On > > > > > Behalf Of Robert West > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM > > > > > To: 'WISPA General List' > > > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells...... > > > > > > > > > > I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one > > of > > > > the > > > > > large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. > Only > > so > > > > > much > > > > > I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go > > > across > > > > > town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same > > > sort > > > > > of > > > > > towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way > > would > > > > we > > > > > get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my > opinion. > > > > The > > > > > bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even > more > > > > > people > > > > > without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an > event > > > > that > > > > > would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot > of > > us > > > > > WISP > > > > > operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. > Unless, > > > of > > > > > course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we > > > use. > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, just an idea. > > > > > > > > > > Bob- > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: > wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > > > On > > > > > Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM > > > > > To: WISPA General List > > > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show > > > > > > > > > > All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your > > > assumptions. > > > > > > > > > > I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of > > > > > putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on > > > that > > > > > process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our > > own > > > > > show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had > > some > > > > > potential as a fund raiser. > > > > > > > > > > What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is > needed > > > to > > > > > put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show > > and > > > > > then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not > > > scale > > > > > up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different > > right > > > > > now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back > in > > > the > > > > > day. > > > > > > > > > > Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are > > > willing > > > > > to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up > so > > > > > that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP > > > > > business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a > > show > > > > > that our members would all like to go to. They are going to do > it > > on > > > > > a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can > > spread > > > > > WISPAs message beyond our own little community. Those are strong > > > > > positives. > > > > > > > > > > Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower > to > > > > > the project. Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is. > > We > > > > > will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it > > isn't > > > > > really a question of just hiring someone because the job > requirements > > > go > > > > > far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys > have > > a > > > > > staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it > > done > > > > > more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of > > > doing > > > > > on our own. > > > > > > > > > > All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an "out" > > so > > > > > that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to > > > > > happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals > to > > > > > get a show put on. > > > > > > > > > > Matt Larsen > > > > > vistabeam.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > > > > >> forwarding to the list. > > > > >> > > > > >> Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list > > > rather > > > > >> than to the sender? Thanks, > > > > >> > > > > >> Matt, understood. I'd disagree with that plan of action though. > We > > > > need > > > > >> our own show. It should be a fund raiser for WISPA. > > > > >> > > > > >> Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a > > show. > > > I > > > > >> believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event. Lower cost, more > > > > > intimate > > > > >> etc. > > > > >> > > > > >> I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the > > > year. > > > > > It > > > > >> shouldn't take more than a few months to put something together. > We > > > > know > > > > >> who the vendors and attendees would be. And we know, basically, > > what > > > > > would > > > > >> need to be presented. > > > > >> > > > > >> The members want a show. The vendors want a show. Someone just > has > > > to > > > > >> DO > > > > > a > > > > >> show. > > > > >> > > > > >> If we can't find anyone to run the effort that certainly changes > > > things. > > > > >> I'm not interested in that job (putting together a Dirtbike one > for > > > here > > > > >> right now, it's not bad but does take time...) right now. > > > > >> > > > > >> laters, > > > > >> marlon > > > > >> > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> From: <li...@manageisp.com> > > > > >> To: "Marlon K. Schafer" <o...@odessaoffice.com> > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:53 PM > > > > >> Subject: Re: [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>> Marlon, > > > > >>> The tentative plan with Ed's group is that we will put our > efforts > > > into > > > > >>> his show, and that we will not be doing our own show as long as > > both > > > > > sides > > > > >>> are happy with the performance of his show. > > > > >>> Also, since we are not putting any money into it, there is no > > profit > > > > >>> sharing. They put in the money and the manpower, they get the > > > profit, > > > > > if > > > > >>> there is any. Our goal in this is to build up our membership > > > numbers > > > > > and > > > > >>> leverage their promotional and marketing efforts to get the word > > out > > > > > about > > > > >>> WISPA and get people to the show so we can turn them into > members. > > > > >>> This is going to end up similar to our agreement with ISPCON, but > > we > > > > >>> will > > > > > > > > > >>> have more say in the structure and educational parts of the show. > > > > >>> Also, > > > > > > > > > >>> it should cost us little or no money. > > > > >>> Matt Larsen > > > > >>> vistabeam.com > > > > >>> Marlon K. Schafer writes: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> Hi Matt, In the end I still think we should have our own show. > How > > > > >>>> clear > > > > > > > > > >>>> will it be made to Ed's group that we'll still be working to our > > own > > > > > show > > > > >>>> at a later date? Also, how are we going to insure that we don't > > end > > > up > > > > >>>> with the same problem we did with Charles for his first show? > > Where > > > > >>>> there is no profit to split? > > > > >>>> marlon ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >>>> From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <li...@manageisp.com> > > > > >>>> To: <wispas...@wispa.org> > > > > >>>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:59 PM > > > > >>>> Subject: [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>> After our visits with the people interested in the trade show > and > > > > >>>>> evaluating our options, Forbes and I are making the decision to > > > work > > > > >>>>> with Ed Meek's group to help promote their wireless show, with > > > WISPA > > > > >>>>> as > > > > >>>>> one of the "anchors" of the show. > > > > >>>>> The details are yet to be worked out. What has been discussed > > so > > > > far > > > > >>>>> is that WISPA will be featured prominently in the promotional > > > > efforts, > > > > >>>>> we will provide the educational tracks for the wireless > broadband > > > > >>>>> section of the show and we will have considerable influence on > > what > > > > >>>>> events, speakers and specialized sessions (ISP-CEO type > > > discussions) > > > > >>>>> will be conducted as part of the show. We will also be able > to > > > > >>>>> re-start the WISPA awards and present them at the show. > There > > > was > > > > >>>>> also a discussion about substantial discounts for WISPA members > > to > > > > >>>>> attend - enough to highly incentivise attendees to join WISPA > > > before > > > > > the > > > > >>>>> show. > > > > >>>>> Rather than putting on our own show, we will play a large part > in > > > > this > > > > >>>>> show. 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