Josh - just use the van - if its here - its cold enough _____________________________________________________________________________________ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to.
On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > I have a fridge full of beer you are welcome to. I'll bring the whole > fridge if I can go somewhere the weather isn't disgusting. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue > that counts.” > --- Winston Churchill > > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Robert West > <robert.w...@just-micro.com>wrote: > >> Yes, and notice how Josh suddenly clammed up once it was settled to all >> crash at his house and drink his beer, break his Playstation3 and embarrass >> him in front of all his neighbors at 3 in the morning...... >> >> I see how things are, Josh. After all we've been through together you have >> to turn into this. >> >> Bob >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Stuart Pierce >> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:23 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show >> >> >> Hey now, the weather is nice today. Granted Columbus isn't Kettering, but >> hey, it's got more food. >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >> From: Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> >> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:44:30 -0500 >> >>> Ohio weather sucks. Zipline would be fun! >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue >>> that counts." >>> --- Winston Churchill >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Robert West >> <robert.w...@just-micro.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Me thinks Stuart likes Columbus. >>>> >>>> OSU grad, Stuart? >>>> >>>> I like the town too. A lot less than a cow town as it used to be. >>>> >>>> Bob- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>> Behalf Of Stuart Pierce >>>> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:37 AM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show >>>> >>>> Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German >> Village, >>>> Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus. >>>> >>>> Oh food, wine and song as well. >>>> >>>> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>>> From: "Chuck Hogg" <ch...@shelbybb.com> >>>> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500 >>>> >>>>> I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an >>>>> ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better >>>>> than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon >>>>> don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if >>>>> it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: >>>>> >>>>> 1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, >> medium, >>>>> or small. >>>>> 2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special >> niche >>>>> in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just >>>>> any vendor. >>>>> 3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch >> with >>>>> home to make sure business continues. >>>>> 4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a >>>>> plus. >>>>> 5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAYYYYY too much for me to attend >> as >>>>> an ISP to a tradeshow. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Chuck Hogg >>>>> Shelby Broadband >>>>> 502-722-9292 >>>>> ch...@shelbybb.com >>>>> http://www.shelbybb.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >>>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Cc: wispas...@wispa.org >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show >>>>> >>>>> Hi Matt, >>>>> >>>>> I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow >>>>> emails reply to that list not the public one :-). >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of >>>>> Commerce >>>>> president here's my latest project: >>>>> http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek >>>>> >>>>> Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work. Herding >>>>> the >>>>> cats as it were... It's certainly quite a bit of work. >>>>> >>>>> We're expecting 200 to 400 people to show up during the week. On the >>>>> weekend the 40th annual Desert 100 race will bring in roughly 6000 >>>>> people. >>>>> http://www.stumpjumpers.org >>>>> >>>>> The race takes nearly an entire year to pull off. There is a race >>>>> chairman >>>>> and a vice. This year's vice becomes next year's chairman. Much of >> the >>>>> >>>>> physical work involves marking the track, a task that has to be done >> all >>>>> >>>>> over every year because the ground is normally a production cattle >>>>> ranch. >>>>> >>>>> I certainly agree with you that the lack of a very dedicated team of 2 >>>>> or 3 >>>>> people would certainly hurt our chances of success. If we can't get >> the >>>>> >>>>> help, have no one ready to step up and take ownership of the event etc. >>>>> we >>>>> need to find a different way. >>>>> >>>>> So far, however, this hasn't been hashed out on the show list. Perhaps >>>>> we >>>>> do have the people ready to dedicate themselves to the effort. >>>>> >>>>> Also, one thing that it seems to me that needs to be done is setting >>>>> some >>>>> kind of show expectation and outline. How many people are expected, >> how >>>>> >>>>> many vendors, do we want more training or display? How many speakers >> do >>>>> we >>>>> want? Who should speak? >>>>> >>>>> Much of the planning we'd have to do will be the same for our own show >>>>> or >>>>> one done by someone else. >>>>> >>>>> I've been to the big shows (WCA, ISPCon, and others). I've been to car >>>>> shows and gun shows. By far, my favorites are smaller more intimate >>>>> settings that are not making any real effort at playing the big shot. >> I >>>>> >>>>> don't care about fancy hotels, convention centers, NFL cities or any of >>>>> that. I want to see new product, learn from people better than me, and >>>>> spend time with my peers. >>>>> >>>>> My fear with Ed's group is that they will try to put on a fancy >> schmancy >>>>> >>>>> show in which the vendors will have to pay so much for floor space that >>>>> they'll demand access to the podiums and we'll end up with a "teaching" >>>>> track that's always slanted in the direction of products rather than >> the >>>>> >>>>> overall nature of our business. >>>>> >>>>> Having said all of that. My plate is already as full as I want it. >>>>> I'll >>>>> not be putting my time where my mouth is. grin I'm here to help with >>>>> thoughts and opinions via email but I'll help out as I can which ever >>>>> way >>>>> the rest of the committee wishes to see the show move. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for taking the lead on this! >>>>> marlon >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <li...@manageisp.com> >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:31 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your >>>>> assumptions. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of >>>>>> putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on >>>>> that >>>>>> process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our >>>>> own >>>>>> show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had >> some >>>>>> potential as a fund raiser. >>>>>> >>>>>> What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed >>>>> to >>>>>> put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show >>>>> and >>>>>> then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not >>>>> scale >>>>>> up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different >> right >>>>>> now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in >>>>> the >>>>>> day. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are >>>>> willing >>>>>> to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so >>>>>> that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP >>>>>> business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a >> show >>>>>> that our members would all like to go to. They are going to do it >>>>> on >>>>>> a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can >>>>> spread >>>>>> WISPAs message beyond our own little community. Those are strong >>>>>> positives. >>>>>> >>>>>> Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to >>>>>> the project. Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is. >>>>> We >>>>>> will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it >>>>> isn't >>>>>> really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements >>>>> go >>>>>> far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have >>>>> a >>>>>> staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it >>>>> done >>>>>> more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of >>>>> doing >>>>>> on our own. >>>>>> >>>>>> All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an "out" >> so >>>>>> that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to >>>>>> happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to >>>>>> get a show put on. >>>>>> >>>>>> Matt Larsen >>>>>> vistabeam.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >>>>>>> forwarding to the list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list >>>>> rather >>>>>>> than to the sender? Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Matt, understood. I'd disagree with that plan of action though. We >>>>> need >>>>>>> our own show. It should be a fund raiser for WISPA. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a >> show. >>>>> I >>>>>>> believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event. Lower cost, more >>>>>>> intimate >>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the >>>>> year. >>>>>>> It >>>>>>> shouldn't take more than a few months to put something together. We >>>>> know >>>>>>> who the vendors and attendees would be. And we know, basically, >> what >>>>> >>>>>>> would >>>>>>> need to be presented. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The members want a show. The vendors want a show. Someone just has >>>>> to >>>>>>> DO a >>>>>>> show. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If we can't find anyone to run the effort that certainly changes >>>>> things. >>>>>>> I'm not interested in that job (putting together a Dirtbike one for >>>>> here >>>>>>> right now, it's not bad but does take time...) right now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> laters, >>>>>>> marlon >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: <li...@manageisp.com> >>>>>>> To: "Marlon K. Schafer" <o...@odessaoffice.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:53 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Marlon, >>>>>>>> The tentative plan with Ed's group is that we will put our efforts >>>>> into >>>>>>>> his show, and that we will not be doing our own show as long as >> both >>>>> >>>>>>>> sides >>>>>>>> are happy with the performance of his show. >>>>>>>> Also, since we are not putting any money into it, there is no >> profit >>>>>>>> sharing. They put in the money and the manpower, they get the >>>>> profit, >>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>> there is any. Our goal in this is to build up our membership >>>>> numbers >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> leverage their promotional and marketing efforts to get the word >> out >>>>> >>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>> WISPA and get people to the show so we can turn them into members. >>>>>>>> This is going to end up similar to our agreement with ISPCON, but >> we >>>>> >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> have more say in the structure and educational parts of the show. >>>>>>>> Also, >>>>>>>> it should cost us little or no money. >>>>>>>> Matt Larsen >>>>>>>> vistabeam.com >>>>>>>> Marlon K. Schafer writes: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Matt, In the end I still think we should have our own show. How >>>>>>>>> clear >>>>>>>>> will it be made to Ed's group that we'll still be working to our >>>>> own >>>>>>>>> show >>>>>>>>> at a later date? Also, how are we going to insure that we don't >> end >>>>> up >>>>>>>>> with the same problem we did with Charles for his first show? >>>>> Where >>>>>>>>> there is no profit to split? >>>>>>>>> marlon ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <li...@manageisp.com> >>>>>>>>> To: <wispas...@wispa.org> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:59 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> After our visits with the people interested in the trade show and >>>>>>>>>> evaluating our options, Forbes and I are making the decision to >>>>> work >>>>>>>>>> with Ed Meek's group to help promote their wireless show, with >>>>> WISPA >>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>> one of the "anchors" of the show. >>>>>>>>>> The details are yet to be worked out. What has been discussed >> so >>>>> far >>>>>>>>>> is that WISPA will be featured prominently in the promotional >>>>> efforts, >>>>>>>>>> we will provide the educational tracks for the wireless broadband >>>>>>>>>> section of the show and we will have considerable influence on >>>>> what >>>>>>>>>> events, speakers and specialized sessions (ISP-CEO type >>>>> discussions) >>>>>>>>>> will be conducted as part of the show. We will also be able to >>>>>>>>>> re-start the WISPA awards and present them at the show. There >>>>> was >>>>>>>>>> also a discussion about substantial discounts for WISPA members >> to >>>>>>>>>> attend - enough to highly incentivise attendees to join WISPA >>>>> before >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> show. >>>>>>>>>> Rather than putting on our own show, we will play a large part in >>>>> this >>>>>>>>>> show. There will still be a lot of work to be done, and I will >>>>> share >>>>>>>>>> details after we get them worked out with the promoters. >>>>>>>>>> Any questions or concerns, please submit them on the list and we >>>>> can >>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>> them worked out. >>>>>>>>>> Matt Larsen >>>>>>>>>> vistabeam.com >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Wispashow mailing list >>>>>>>>>> wispas...@wispa.org >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wispashow >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Wispashow mailing list >>>>>>>>> wispas...@wispa.org >>>>>>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wispashow >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wispashow mailing list >>>>>>> wispas...@wispa.org >>>>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wispashow >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> -------- >>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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