How come we don't hear any one suggesting a show in Denver or Salt Lake? Pretty much the center of the country with MAJOR airline hubs direct to all points.
-----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have a fridge full of beer you are welcome to. I'll bring the whole fridge if I can go somewhere the weather isn't disgusting. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Robert West <robert.w...@just-micro.com>wrote: > Yes, and notice how Josh suddenly clammed up once it was settled to all > crash at his house and drink his beer, break his Playstation3 and embarrass > him in front of all his neighbors at 3 in the morning...... > > I see how things are, Josh. After all we've been through together you have > to turn into this. > > Bob > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Stuart Pierce > Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:23 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show > > > Hey now, the weather is nice today. Granted Columbus isn't Kettering, but > hey, it's got more food. > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> > Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:44:30 -0500 > > >Ohio weather sucks. Zipline would be fun! > > > >Josh Luthman > >Office: 937-552-2340 > >Direct: 937-552-2343 > >1100 Wayne St > >Suite 1337 > >Troy, OH 45373 > > > >"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue > >that counts." > >--- Winston Churchill > > > > > >On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Robert West > <robert.w...@just-micro.com>wrote: > > > >> Me thinks Stuart likes Columbus. > >> > >> OSU grad, Stuart? > >> > >> I like the town too. A lot less than a cow town as it used to be. > >> > >> Bob- > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > >> Behalf Of Stuart Pierce > >> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:37 AM > >> To: WISPA General List > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show > >> > >> Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German > Village, > >> Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus. > >> > >> Oh food, wine and song as well. > >> > >> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > >> From: "Chuck Hogg" <ch...@shelbybb.com> > >> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> > >> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500 > >> > >> >I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an > >> >ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better > >> >than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon > >> >don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if > >> >it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: > >> > > >> >1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, > medium, > >> >or small. > >> >2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special > niche > >> >in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just > >> >any vendor. > >> >3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch > with > >> >home to make sure business continues. > >> >4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a > >> >plus. > >> >5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAYYYYY too much for me to attend > as > >> >an ISP to a tradeshow. > >> > > >> >Regards, > >> >Chuck Hogg > >> >Shelby Broadband > >> >502-722-9292 > >> >ch...@shelbybb.com > >> >http://www.shelbybb.com > >> > > >> > > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > >> >Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > >> >Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM > >> >To: WISPA General List > >> >Cc: wispas...@wispa.org > >> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show > >> > > >> >Hi Matt, > >> > > >> >I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow > >> >emails reply to that list not the public one :-). > >> > > >> >Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of > >> >Commerce > >> >president here's my latest project: > >> >http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek > >> > > >> >Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work. Herding > >> >the > >> >cats as it were... It's certainly quite a bit of work. > >> > > >> >We're expecting 200 to 400 people to show up during the week. On the > >> >weekend the 40th annual Desert 100 race will bring in roughly 6000 > >> >people. > >> >http://www.stumpjumpers.org > >> > > >> >The race takes nearly an entire year to pull off. There is a race > >> >chairman > >> >and a vice. This year's vice becomes next year's chairman. Much of > the > >> > > >> >physical work involves marking the track, a task that has to be done > all > >> > > >> >over every year because the ground is normally a production cattle > >> >ranch. > >> > > >> >I certainly agree with you that the lack of a very dedicated team of 2 > >> >or 3 > >> >people would certainly hurt our chances of success. If we can't get > the > >> > > >> >help, have no one ready to step up and take ownership of the event etc. > >> >we > >> >need to find a different way. > >> > > >> >So far, however, this hasn't been hashed out on the show list. Perhaps > >> >we > >> >do have the people ready to dedicate themselves to the effort. > >> > > >> >Also, one thing that it seems to me that needs to be done is setting > >> >some > >> >kind of show expectation and outline. How many people are expected, > how > >> > > >> >many vendors, do we want more training or display? How many speakers > do > >> >we > >> >want? Who should speak? > >> > > >> >Much of the planning we'd have to do will be the same for our own show > >> >or > >> >one done by someone else. > >> > > >> >I've been to the big shows (WCA, ISPCon, and others). I've been to car > >> >shows and gun shows. By far, my favorites are smaller more intimate > >> >settings that are not making any real effort at playing the big shot. > I > >> > > >> >don't care about fancy hotels, convention centers, NFL cities or any of > >> >that. I want to see new product, learn from people better than me, and > >> >spend time with my peers. > >> > > >> >My fear with Ed's group is that they will try to put on a fancy > schmancy > >> > > >> >show in which the vendors will have to pay so much for floor space that > >> >they'll demand access to the podiums and we'll end up with a "teaching" > >> >track that's always slanted in the direction of products rather than > the > >> > > >> >overall nature of our business. > >> > > >> >Having said all of that. My plate is already as full as I want it. > >> >I'll > >> >not be putting my time where my mouth is. grin I'm here to help with > >> >thoughts and opinions via email but I'll help out as I can which ever > >> >way > >> >the rest of the committee wishes to see the show move. > >> > > >> >Thanks for taking the lead on this! > >> >marlon > >> > > >> >----- Original Message ----- > >> >From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <li...@manageisp.com> > >> >To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > >> >Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:31 AM > >> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show > >> > > >> > > >> >> All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your > >> >assumptions. > >> >> > >> >> I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of > >> >> putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on > >> >that > >> >> process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our > >> >own > >> >> show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had > some > >> >> potential as a fund raiser. > >> >> > >> >> What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed > >> >to > >> >> put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show > >> >and > >> >> then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not > >> >scale > >> >> up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different > right > >> >> now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in > >> >the > >> >> day. > >> >> > >> >> Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are > >> >willing > >> >> to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so > >> >> that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP > >> >> business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a > show > >> >> that our members would all like to go to. They are going to do it > >> >on > >> >> a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can > >> >spread > >> >> WISPAs message beyond our own little community. Those are strong > >> >> positives. > >> >> > >> >> Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to > >> >> the project. Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is. > >> >We > >> >> will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it > >> >isn't > >> >> really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements > >> >go > >> >> far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have > >> >a > >> >> staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it > >> >done > >> >> more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of > >> >doing > >> >> on our own. > >> >> > >> >> All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an "out" > so > >> >> that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to > >> >> happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to > >> >> get a show put on. > >> >> > >> >> Matt Larsen > >> >> vistabeam.com > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > >> >>> forwarding to the list. > >> >>> > >> >>> Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list > >> >rather > >> >>> than to the sender? Thanks, > >> >>> > >> >>> Matt, understood. I'd disagree with that plan of action though. We > >> >need > >> >>> our own show. It should be a fund raiser for WISPA. > >> >>> > >> >>> Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a > show. > >> >I > >> >>> believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event. Lower cost, more > >> >>> intimate > >> >>> etc. > >> >>> > >> >>> I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the > >> >year. > >> >>> It > >> >>> shouldn't take more than a few months to put something together. We > >> >know > >> >>> who the vendors and attendees would be. And we know, basically, > what > >> > > >> >>> would > >> >>> need to be presented. > >> >>> > >> >>> The members want a show. The vendors want a show. Someone just has > >> >to > >> >>> DO a > >> >>> show. > >> >>> > >> >>> If we can't find anyone to run the effort that certainly changes > >> >things. > >> >>> I'm not interested in that job (putting together a Dirtbike one for > >> >here > >> >>> right now, it's not bad but does take time...) right now. > >> >>> > >> >>> laters, > >> >>> marlon > >> >>> > >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >>> From: <li...@manageisp.com> > >> >>> To: "Marlon K. Schafer" <o...@odessaoffice.com> > >> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:53 PM > >> >>> Subject: Re: [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>> Marlon, > >> >>>> The tentative plan with Ed's group is that we will put our efforts > >> >into > >> >>>> his show, and that we will not be doing our own show as long as > both > >> > > >> >>>> sides > >> >>>> are happy with the performance of his show. > >> >>>> Also, since we are not putting any money into it, there is no > profit > >> >>>> sharing. They put in the money and the manpower, they get the > >> >profit, > >> >>>> if > >> >>>> there is any. Our goal in this is to build up our membership > >> >numbers > >> >>>> and > >> >>>> leverage their promotional and marketing efforts to get the word > out > >> > > >> >>>> about > >> >>>> WISPA and get people to the show so we can turn them into members. > >> >>>> This is going to end up similar to our agreement with ISPCON, but > we > >> > > >> >>>> will > >> >>>> have more say in the structure and educational parts of the show. > >> >>>> Also, > >> >>>> it should cost us little or no money. > >> >>>> Matt Larsen > >> >>>> vistabeam.com > >> >>>> Marlon K. Schafer writes: > >> >>>> > >> >>>>> Hi Matt, In the end I still think we should have our own show. How > >> >>>>> clear > >> >>>>> will it be made to Ed's group that we'll still be working to our > >> >own > >> >>>>> show > >> >>>>> at a later date? Also, how are we going to insure that we don't > end > >> >up > >> >>>>> with the same problem we did with Charles for his first show? > >> >Where > >> >>>>> there is no profit to split? > >> >>>>> marlon ----- Original Message ----- > >> >>>>> From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <li...@manageisp.com> > >> >>>>> To: <wispas...@wispa.org> > >> >>>>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:59 PM > >> >>>>> Subject: [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>> After our visits with the people interested in the trade show and > >> >>>>>> evaluating our options, Forbes and I are making the decision to > >> >work > >> >>>>>> with Ed Meek's group to help promote their wireless show, with > >> >WISPA > >> >>>>>> as > >> >>>>>> one of the "anchors" of the show. > >> >>>>>> The details are yet to be worked out. What has been discussed > so > >> >far > >> >>>>>> is that WISPA will be featured prominently in the promotional > >> >efforts, > >> >>>>>> we will provide the educational tracks for the wireless broadband > >> >>>>>> section of the show and we will have considerable influence on > >> >what > >> >>>>>> events, speakers and specialized sessions (ISP-CEO type > >> >discussions) > >> >>>>>> will be conducted as part of the show. We will also be able to > >> >>>>>> re-start the WISPA awards and present them at the show. There > >> >was > >> >>>>>> also a discussion about substantial discounts for WISPA members > to > >> >>>>>> attend - enough to highly incentivise attendees to join WISPA > >> >before > >> >>>>>> the > >> >>>>>> show. > >> >>>>>> Rather than putting on our own show, we will play a large part in > >> >this > >> >>>>>> show. There will still be a lot of work to be done, and I will > >> >share > >> >>>>>> details after we get them worked out with the promoters. > >> >>>>>> Any questions or concerns, please submit them on the list and we > >> >can > >> >>>>>> get > >> >>>>>> them worked out. > >> >>>>>> Matt Larsen > >> >>>>>> vistabeam.com > >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>>>>> Wispashow mailing list > >> >>>>>> wispas...@wispa.org > >> >>>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wispashow > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>>>> Wispashow mailing list > >> >>>>> wispas...@wispa.org > >> >>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wispashow > >> >>>>> > >> >>> > >> >>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>> Wispashow mailing list > >> >>> wispas...@wispa.org > >> >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wispashow > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> >-------- > >> >> WISPA Wants You! 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