Hey now, the weather is nice today. Granted Columbus isn't Kettering, but hey, it's got more food.
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:44:30 -0500 >Ohio weather sucks. Zipline would be fun! > >Josh Luthman >Office: 937-552-2340 >Direct: 937-552-2343 >1100 Wayne St >Suite 1337 >Troy, OH 45373 > >Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue >that counts. >--- Winston Churchill > > >On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Robert West <robert.w...@just-micro.com>wrote: > >> Me thinks Stuart likes Columbus. >> >> OSU grad, Stuart? >> >> I like the town too. A lot less than a cow town as it used to be. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Stuart Pierce >> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:37 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show >> >> Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German Village, >> Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus. >> >> Oh food, wine and song as well. >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >> From: "Chuck Hogg" <ch...@shelbybb.com> >> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> >> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500 >> >> >I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an >> >ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better >> >than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon >> >don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if >> >it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: >> > >> >1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, medium, >> >or small. >> >2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special niche >> >in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just >> >any vendor. >> >3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch with >> >home to make sure business continues. >> >4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a >> >plus. >> >5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAYYYYY too much for me to attend as >> >an ISP to a tradeshow. >> > >> >Regards, >> >Chuck Hogg >> >Shelby Broadband >> >502-722-9292 >> >ch...@shelbybb.com >> >http://www.shelbybb.com >> > >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> >Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >> >Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM >> >To: WISPA General List >> >Cc: wispas...@wispa.org >> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show >> > >> >Hi Matt, >> > >> >I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow >> >emails reply to that list not the public one :-). >> > >> >Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of >> >Commerce >> >president here's my latest project: >> >http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek >> > >> >Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work. Herding >> >the >> >cats as it were... It's certainly quite a bit of work. >> > >> >We're expecting 200 to 400 people to show up during the week. On the >> >weekend the 40th annual Desert 100 race will bring in roughly 6000 >> >people. >> >http://www.stumpjumpers.org >> > >> >The race takes nearly an entire year to pull off. There is a race >> >chairman >> >and a vice. This year's vice becomes next year's chairman. Much of the >> > >> >physical work involves marking the track, a task that has to be done all >> > >> >over every year because the ground is normally a production cattle >> >ranch. >> > >> >I certainly agree with you that the lack of a very dedicated team of 2 >> >or 3 >> >people would certainly hurt our chances of success. If we can't get the >> > >> >help, have no one ready to step up and take ownership of the event etc. >> >we >> >need to find a different way. >> > >> >So far, however, this hasn't been hashed out on the show list. Perhaps >> >we >> >do have the people ready to dedicate themselves to the effort. >> > >> >Also, one thing that it seems to me that needs to be done is setting >> >some >> >kind of show expectation and outline. How many people are expected, how >> > >> >many vendors, do we want more training or display? How many speakers do >> >we >> >want? Who should speak? >> > >> >Much of the planning we'd have to do will be the same for our own show >> >or >> >one done by someone else. >> > >> >I've been to the big shows (WCA, ISPCon, and others). I've been to car >> >shows and gun shows. By far, my favorites are smaller more intimate >> >settings that are not making any real effort at playing the big shot. I >> > >> >don't care about fancy hotels, convention centers, NFL cities or any of >> >that. I want to see new product, learn from people better than me, and >> >spend time with my peers. >> > >> >My fear with Ed's group is that they will try to put on a fancy schmancy >> > >> >show in which the vendors will have to pay so much for floor space that >> >they'll demand access to the podiums and we'll end up with a "teaching" >> >track that's always slanted in the direction of products rather than the >> > >> >overall nature of our business. >> > >> >Having said all of that. My plate is already as full as I want it. >> >I'll >> >not be putting my time where my mouth is. grin I'm here to help with >> >thoughts and opinions via email but I'll help out as I can which ever >> >way >> >the rest of the committee wishes to see the show move. >> > >> >Thanks for taking the lead on this! >> >marlon >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <li...@manageisp.com> >> >To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> >Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:31 AM >> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show >> > >> > >> >> All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your >> >assumptions. >> >> >> >> I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of >> >> putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on >> >that >> >> process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our >> >own >> >> show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some >> >> potential as a fund raiser. >> >> >> >> What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed >> >to >> >> put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show >> >and >> >> then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not >> >scale >> >> up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right >> >> now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in >> >the >> >> day. >> >> >> >> Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are >> >willing >> >> to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so >> >> that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP >> >> business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show >> >> that our members would all like to go to. They are going to do it >> >on >> >> a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can >> >spread >> >> WISPAs message beyond our own little community. Those are strong >> >> positives. >> >> >> >> Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to >> >> the project. Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is. >> >We >> >> will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it >> >isn't >> >> really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements >> >go >> >> far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have >> >a >> >> staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it >> >done >> >> more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of >> >doing >> >> on our own. >> >> >> >> All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an "out" so >> >> that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to >> >> happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to >> >> get a show put on. >> >> >> >> Matt Larsen >> >> vistabeam.com >> >> >> >> >> >> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> >>> forwarding to the list. >> >>> >> >>> Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list >> >rather >> >>> than to the sender? Thanks, >> >>> >> >>> Matt, understood. I'd disagree with that plan of action though. We >> >need >> >>> our own show. It should be a fund raiser for WISPA. >> >>> >> >>> Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a show. >> >I >> >>> believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event. Lower cost, more >> >>> intimate >> >>> etc. >> >>> >> >>> I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the >> >year. >> >>> It >> >>> shouldn't take more than a few months to put something together. We >> >know >> >>> who the vendors and attendees would be. And we know, basically, what >> > >> >>> would >> >>> need to be presented. >> >>> >> >>> The members want a show. The vendors want a show. Someone just has >> >to >> >>> DO a >> >>> show. >> >>> >> >>> If we can't find anyone to run the effort that certainly changes >> >things. >> >>> I'm not interested in that job (putting together a Dirtbike one for >> >here >> >>> right now, it's not bad but does take time...) right now. >> >>> >> >>> laters, >> >>> marlon >> >>> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: <li...@manageisp.com> >> >>> To: "Marlon K. Schafer" <o...@odessaoffice.com> >> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:53 PM >> >>> Subject: Re: [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> Marlon, >> >>>> The tentative plan with Ed's group is that we will put our efforts >> >into >> >>>> his show, and that we will not be doing our own show as long as both >> > >> >>>> sides >> >>>> are happy with the performance of his show. >> >>>> Also, since we are not putting any money into it, there is no profit >> >>>> sharing. They put in the money and the manpower, they get the >> >profit, >> >>>> if >> >>>> there is any. Our goal in this is to build up our membership >> >numbers >> >>>> and >> >>>> leverage their promotional and marketing efforts to get the word out >> > >> >>>> about >> >>>> WISPA and get people to the show so we can turn them into members. >> >>>> This is going to end up similar to our agreement with ISPCON, but we >> > >> >>>> will >> >>>> have more say in the structure and educational parts of the show. >> >>>> Also, >> >>>> it should cost us little or no money. >> >>>> Matt Larsen >> >>>> vistabeam.com >> >>>> Marlon K. Schafer writes: >> >>>> >> >>>>> Hi Matt, In the end I still think we should have our own show. How >> >>>>> clear >> >>>>> will it be made to Ed's group that we'll still be working to our >> >own >> >>>>> show >> >>>>> at a later date? Also, how are we going to insure that we don't end >> >up >> >>>>> with the same problem we did with Charles for his first show? >> >Where >> >>>>> there is no profit to split? >> >>>>> marlon ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>> From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <li...@manageisp.com> >> >>>>> To: <wispas...@wispa.org> >> >>>>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:59 PM >> >>>>> Subject: [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> After our visits with the people interested in the trade show and >> >>>>>> evaluating our options, Forbes and I are making the decision to >> >work >> >>>>>> with Ed Meek's group to help promote their wireless show, with >> >WISPA >> >>>>>> as >> >>>>>> one of the "anchors" of the show. >> >>>>>> The details are yet to be worked out. What has been discussed so >> >far >> >>>>>> is that WISPA will be featured prominently in the promotional >> >efforts, >> >>>>>> we will provide the educational tracks for the wireless broadband >> >>>>>> section of the show and we will have considerable influence on >> >what >> >>>>>> events, speakers and specialized sessions (ISP-CEO type >> >discussions) >> >>>>>> will be conducted as part of the show. We will also be able to >> >>>>>> re-start the WISPA awards and present them at the show. There >> >was >> >>>>>> also a discussion about substantial discounts for WISPA members to >> >>>>>> attend - enough to highly incentivise attendees to join WISPA >> >before >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>> show. >> >>>>>> Rather than putting on our own show, we will play a large part in >> >this >> >>>>>> show. There will still be a lot of work to be done, and I will >> >share >> >>>>>> details after we get them worked out with the promoters. >> >>>>>> Any questions or concerns, please submit them on the list and we >> >can >> >>>>>> get >> >>>>>> them worked out. >> >>>>>> Matt Larsen >> >>>>>> vistabeam.com >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> Wispashow mailing list >> >>>>>> wispas...@wispa.org >> >>>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wispashow >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> Wispashow mailing list >> >>>>> wispas...@wispa.org >> >>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wispashow >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Wispashow mailing list >> >>> wispas...@wispa.org >> >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wispashow >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >-------- >> >> WISPA Wants You! 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