There's never a NEED to accumulate power... ever. But, the greed and lust for more power is as old as politics itself.
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Jack Unger" <jun...@ask-wi.com> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:21 PM To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation ofnet-neutrality> C'mon Jeff. There is NO NEED to accumulate power if you don't have > excess people. > > jack > > > Jeff Broadwick wrote: >> C'mon Jack, war is about trying to accumulate power, not get rid of >> excess >> people. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Jeff >> >> >> Jeff Broadwick >> ImageStream >> 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) >> +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) >> >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Jack Unger >> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:35 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation >> of >> net-neutrality >> >> >> Your statement is true when there is NOT enough food, clothing or shelter >> for everybody. >> >> But when there IS enough food, clothing and shelter for everybody, there >> is >> no need for war in order to achieve temporary "peace". >> >> This is why overpopulation is so bad - it creates war and makes real >> peace >> impossible. >> >> jack >> >> >> Brad Belton wrote: >> >> I would hope everyone would choose peace over war, but history has proven >> >> since the beginning of time that peace is achieved through war. >> >> >> >> Without a clearly defined "Winner" and "Loser" of war there will never be >> >> peace. >> >> >> >> >> >> Brad >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> >> Behalf Of Jack Unger >> >> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:28 AM >> >> To: WISPA General List >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation >> of >> >> net-neutrality >> >> >> >> Good points. >> >> >> >> When I have to choose between guns (war) or butter (peace), I'll choose >> >> the butter. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Robert West wrote: >> >> >> >> Life, Liberty, Property. >> >> >> >> Those were the basics that our government was formed to protect for us. >> >> >> >> For the common defense. >> >> >> >> It's now morphed from the government For the people into people For the >> >> government. As long as there are greedy people and the "what about mine?" >> >> thinkers, it won't get any better. >> >> >> >> As far as the current situation I think we should bring back the war tax >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> the draft. Now hear me out on this.... >> >> >> >> Are we at war? Where? I dunno, I'm not involved in any way, shape or >> >> >> >> form. >> >> >> >> Not directly anyhow. So it continues to zap the life out of this >> country. >> >> We've sanitized the citizenry out of war thus it can go on forever >> without >> >> much thought from those of us out here trying to live our lives and put >> >> >> >> food >> >> >> >> on the table and pay for the folly of it all. >> >> >> >> If we had a war tax and kids were being drafted, we'd all be involved, >> >> >> >> more >> >> >> >> commonly polarized and I guarantee you we wouldn't be pouring billions >> >> >> >> every >> >> >> >> month down useless well. >> >> >> >> Just my crazy thoughts. >> >> >> >> Bob- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> >> Behalf Of Brad Belton >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:38 PM >> >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> net-neutrality >> >> >> >> Jack, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Your police analogy is flawed. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> While it may take a larger police force to serve and insure the safety of >> >> >> >> a >> >> >> >> larger population it does not take a larger government body with >> increased >> >> invasion of those people's lives to govern effectively. A larger >> >> >> >> population >> >> >> >> requires no more or fewer laws than a small population as the laws are >> >> applied to all regardless of the size of population. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Agreed, the more people that "give up" and begin to simply depend on the >> >> government to provide for them the worse our country (or any country) >> >> becomes. This is exactly what big government wants; the people to become >> >> more dependent on them. The more dependent the people become on big >> >> government the more power they have over your life and the fewer freedoms >> >> you enjoy. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Why is it that so many small businesses exist? They exist partly because >> >> they can provide a better service/price than the "big guys". Wireless >> >> providers (other than those looking for a handout to keep their doors >> >> >> >> open) >> >> >> >> exist because the ILECs created an opportunity that we identified and >> >> >> >> acted >> >> >> >> upon. Capitalism and the market works well as long as big government >> >> >> >> stays >> >> >> >> out of it. I don't know about the rest here, but the more the big >> Telco's >> >> charge the better my business does! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What does America have to show for all the ridiculous recent spending? >> GM >> >> is still losing Billions of dollars, the big banks that were forced to >> >> >> >> take >> >> >> >> TARP haven't changed and many have repaid TARP to get the government out >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> their business. Is it such a bad thing to own and operate a small >> >> >> >> business >> >> >> >> with no long term debt? Sure, it makes getting the company off the >> ground >> >> that much harder, but it also creates a personal investment and >> commitment >> >> by the proprietor beyond any cash infusion. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Unemployment is nearing record highs as those (evil guys) that employ >> >> >> >> people >> >> >> >> weather the storm of uncertainty. People are losing their homes.many of >> >> which never should have been afforded the privilege of home ownership if >> >> >> >> it >> >> >> >> were not for big government forcing lenders to lend to unqualified >> buyers. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I can go on, but I get the feeling none of this makes any sense to you, >> >> Jack. That's fine with me.there are those that do and those that.I don't >> >> know.just coast along I guess? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Brad >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> >> Behalf Of Jack Unger >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:55 PM >> >> To: WISPA General List >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> net-neutrality >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Brad, >> >> >> >> You are misunderstanding or ignoring what I've been saying so let's try >> it >> >> again. >> >> >> >> When you have more people crowded into the same space your are going to >> >> >> >> have >> >> >> >> more frequent and more complex problems, including more fighting over the >> >> available amount of resources. Like it or not, attempting to maintain >> >> >> >> order >> >> >> >> is expected of government, be it large or small government. A two-person >> >> police force is expected to be able to maintain order in a tiny community >> >> and a 10,000 person police force is expected to be able to maintain order >> >> >> >> in >> >> >> >> a large city. A two-person (small government) police force will not be >> >> >> >> able >> >> >> >> to maintain order in New York or Los Angeles. "Socialism" (however that >> is >> >> defined or mis-defined) has nothing to do with this basic dynamic. >> >> >> >> America was built by hard-working people who thrived within the limited >> >> government framework that the founding fathers provided. Unfortunately >> >> today, 99% of the working people have lost or given up their power to >> >> >> >> govern >> >> >> >> their own lives. That power now resides in the hands of large >> corporations >> >> (banks, factory farms, seed companies, meat processors, insurance >> >> >> >> companies, >> >> >> >> news networks, incumbent telecom companies, etc.). Government has >> >> unfortunately become complicit in this dynamic. Today, big money >> >> corporations control government by "buying off" politicians through large >> >> campaign contributions. It doesn't matter if the politicians are >> Democrats >> >> or Republicans. Our big-money political system has corrupted virtually >> all >> >> of them. Until we fix our broken political system by removing the >> >> corrupting effect of big money, none of us will regain the freedoms that >> >> were fought for and won by our ancestors. >> >> >> >> jack >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Brad Belton wrote: >> >> >> >> Jack, >> >> >> >> I completely disagree with the notion that America has to become smaller >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> have a smaller less invasive government! It is a socialist mentality to >> >> think that only government can grow America or help Americans. >> >> >> >> America achieved its success by people utilizing their abilities to >> better >> >> themselves and their lives free of an overly burdening government. >> >> >> >> America >> >> >> >> was not built by grants, entitlements or anything big government can >> >> possibly provide. Instead our constitution provides a framework >> outlining >> >> government limitations, so as to prevent government to ever be able to >> >> control the people it governs. The people of the republic govern not the >> >> other way around. >> >> >> >> Countless Americans have given their lives to protect the very freedom >> big >> >> government takes away. Government run health care just happens to be the >> >> straw that broke the camel's back and Americans are saying enough is >> >> >> >> enough >> >> >> >> in overwhelming numbers. >> >> >> >> >> >> Brad >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> >> Behalf Of Jack Unger >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:48 PM >> >> To: WISPA General List >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> net-neutrality >> >> >> >> Brad, >> >> >> >> There is really only one way to get a smaller government without >> >> throwing society into total disarray. That method is to have a smaller >> >> country, in other words, a lower level of population. With an exploding >> >> population there is just no way that I can see to get a smaller >> >> >> >> government. >> >> >> >> >> >> If only reclaiming our country for working people was as easy as voting >> >> the incumbents out that would be GREAT but unfortunately it's not that >> >> simple. Voting the incumbents out won't result in government doing a >> >> better job for working people because the real influence is the >> >> big-corporation money that finances the election campaigns for each new >> >> crop of political nominees. The big-money lobbyists remain when each old >> >> group of politicians is voted out so the big-money corporation's power >> >> actually becomes greater and greater as time goes on. >> >> >> >> The solution that I propose is equal public financing for ALL political >> >> campaigns. Each nominee (and incumbent) would receive an equal number of >> >> taxpayer dollars to run their campaign. This will help ALL candidates >> >> remember who they are supposed to be working for (working-class >> >> taxpayers, not large corporations). >> >> >> >> As to regaining some influence for working people with regard to banks, >> >> I'd recommend that everyone put their money in a local credit union or >> >> small local community bank. My money has been kept in a local community >> >> credit union for over 20 years and I feel good about it being there. >> >> It's contributing to the community instead of being used in an >> >> irresponsible fashion and/or used against the best interests of the >> >> community. >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> jack >> >> >> >> >> >> Brad Belton wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> The fundamental difference that Jack fails to recognize is if a bank (or >> >> organization other than the government) does treat you unfairly you have >> >> recourse. If your own government treats you unfairly, you have little to >> >> >> >> >> >> no >> >> >> >> >> >> recourse. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes, we can all only hope the majority of Americans will continue to >> stand >> >> up and say no more to big government. A smaller less intrusive >> government >> >> is what America needs. In order to achieve this we have to remove the >> >> career politicians from office that have clearly lost touch with the >> >> >> >> >> >> people >> >> >> >> >> >> that elected them. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Brad >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> >> Behalf Of Jack Unger >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:01 PM >> >> To: WISPA General List >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation >> >> >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> >> >> net-neutrality >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> So, now that government has been drowned, the huge banks, insurance >> >> companies, telecoms can do whatever they want to you whenever they want >> to >> >> do it. >> >> >> >> BWaaaah, haaa, haaaa, haaa, haaaaggggh.... >> >> >> >> >> >> Frank Crawford wrote: >> >> >> >> YES >> >> >> >> Jack Unger wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> I trust that government will be able to keep up just fine. Do you >> >> support the alternative of making government so small that you can drown >> >> it in a bathtub? >> >> >> >> Glenn Kelley wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Title II of the Communications Act-the section that regulates >> >> telecommunications common carriers is now being considered by the FCC to >> >> oversee broadband. FCC Commissioner Robert M. McDowell during a talk he >> >> gave to the Free State Foundation asked: (see First Do No Harm: A >> >> >> >> >> >> broadband >> >> >> >> >> >> plan for Amercia) >> >> "Exactly what kind of companies might get tangled up into this regulatory >> >> Rubik's Cube?.Any Internet company that offers a voice application?" . >> >> >> >> >> >> "With >> >> >> >> >> >> this newfound authority, why stop at voice apps? Isn't voice just another >> >> type of data app? As the distinction between network operators and >> >> application providers continues to blur at an eye-popping rate, how will >> >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> government be able to keep up?" >> >> >> >> >> >> Much more on the blog: www.HostMedic.com --> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _________ >> >> Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com >> >> Email: gl...@hostmedic.com >> >> Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---- >> >> WISPA Wants You! 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