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Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 4:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality C'mon Jeff. There is NO NEED to accumulate power if you don't have excess people. jack Jeff Broadwick wrote: > C'mon Jack, war is about trying to accumulate power, not get rid of > excess people. > > > Regards, > > Jeff > > > Jeff Broadwick > ImageStream > 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) > +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) > > > > > _____ > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of Jack Unger > Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:35 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in > regulation of net-neutrality > > > Your statement is true when there is NOT enough food, clothing or > shelter for everybody. > > But when there IS enough food, clothing and shelter for everybody, > there is no need for war in order to achieve temporary "peace". > > This is why overpopulation is so bad - it creates war and makes real > peace impossible. > > jack > > > Brad Belton wrote: > > I would hope everyone would choose peace over war, but history has > proven > > since the beginning of time that peace is achieved through war. > > > > Without a clearly defined "Winner" and "Loser" of war there will never > be > > peace. > > > > > > Brad > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > > Behalf Of Jack Unger > > Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:28 AM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in > regulation of > > net-neutrality > > > > Good points. > > > > When I have to choose between guns (war) or butter (peace), I'll > choose > > the butter. > > > > > > > > Robert West wrote: > > > > Life, Liberty, Property. > > > > Those were the basics that our government was formed to protect for us. > > > > For the common defense. > > > > It's now morphed from the government For the people into people For > the > > government. As long as there are greedy people and the "what about mine?" > > thinkers, it won't get any better. > > > > As far as the current situation I think we should bring back the war > tax > > > > and > > > > the draft. Now hear me out on this.... > > > > Are we at war? Where? I dunno, I'm not involved in any way, shape or > > > > form. > > > > Not directly anyhow. So it continues to zap the life out of this country. > > We've sanitized the citizenry out of war thus it can go on forever > without > > much thought from those of us out here trying to live our lives and > put > > > > food > > > > on the table and pay for the folly of it all. > > > > If we had a war tax and kids were being drafted, we'd all be involved, > > > > more > > > > commonly polarized and I guarantee you we wouldn't be pouring billions > > > > every > > > > month down useless well. > > > > Just my crazy thoughts. > > > > Bob- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > > Behalf Of Brad Belton > > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:38 PM > > To: 'WISPA General List' > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in > regulation > > > > of > > > > net-neutrality > > > > Jack, > > > > > > > > Your police analogy is flawed. > > > > > > > > While it may take a larger police force to serve and insure the safety > of > > > > a > > > > larger population it does not take a larger government body with > increased > > invasion of those people's lives to govern effectively. A larger > > > > population > > > > requires no more or fewer laws than a small population as the laws are > > applied to all regardless of the size of population. > > > > > > > > Agreed, the more people that "give up" and begin to simply depend on > the > > government to provide for them the worse our country (or any country) > > becomes. This is exactly what big government wants; the people to > become > > more dependent on them. The more dependent the people become on big > > government the more power they have over your life and the fewer > freedoms > > you enjoy. > > > > > > > > Why is it that so many small businesses exist? They exist partly > because > > they can provide a better service/price than the "big guys". Wireless > > providers (other than those looking for a handout to keep their doors > > > > open) > > > > exist because the ILECs created an opportunity that we identified and > > > > acted > > > > upon. Capitalism and the market works well as long as big government > > > > stays > > > > out of it. I don't know about the rest here, but the more the big > Telco's > > charge the better my business does! > > > > > > > > What does America have to show for all the ridiculous recent spending? > GM > > is still losing Billions of dollars, the big banks that were forced to > > > > take > > > > TARP haven't changed and many have repaid TARP to get the government > out > > > > of > > > > their business. Is it such a bad thing to own and operate a small > > > > business > > > > with no long term debt? Sure, it makes getting the company off the > ground > > that much harder, but it also creates a personal investment and > commitment > > by the proprietor beyond any cash infusion. > > > > > > > > Unemployment is nearing record highs as those (evil guys) that employ > > > > people > > > > weather the storm of uncertainty. People are losing their homes.many > of > > which never should have been afforded the privilege of home ownership > if > > > > it > > > > were not for big government forcing lenders to lend to unqualified buyers. > > > > > > > > I can go on, but I get the feeling none of this makes any sense to > you, > > Jack. That's fine with me.there are those that do and those that.I > don't > > know.just coast along I guess? > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > > > > Brad > > > > > > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > > Behalf Of Jack Unger > > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:55 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in > regulation > > > > of > > > > net-neutrality > > > > > > > > Brad, > > > > You are misunderstanding or ignoring what I've been saying so let's > try it > > again. > > > > When you have more people crowded into the same space your are going > to > > > > have > > > > more frequent and more complex problems, including more fighting over > the > > available amount of resources. Like it or not, attempting to maintain > > > > order > > > > is expected of government, be it large or small government. A > two-person > > police force is expected to be able to maintain order in a tiny > community > > and a 10,000 person police force is expected to be able to maintain > order > > > > in > > > > a large city. A two-person (small government) police force will not be > > > > able > > > > to maintain order in New York or Los Angeles. "Socialism" (however > that is > > defined or mis-defined) has nothing to do with this basic dynamic. > > > > America was built by hard-working people who thrived within the > limited > > government framework that the founding fathers provided. Unfortunately > > today, 99% of the working people have lost or given up their power to > > > > govern > > > > their own lives. That power now resides in the hands of large > corporations > > (banks, factory farms, seed companies, meat processors, insurance > > > > companies, > > > > news networks, incumbent telecom companies, etc.). Government has > > unfortunately become complicit in this dynamic. Today, big money > > corporations control government by "buying off" politicians through > large > > campaign contributions. It doesn't matter if the politicians are > Democrats > > or Republicans. Our big-money political system has corrupted virtually > all > > of them. Until we fix our broken political system by removing the > > corrupting effect of big money, none of us will regain the freedoms > that > > were fought for and won by our ancestors. > > > > jack > > > > > > > > Brad Belton wrote: > > > > Jack, > > > > I completely disagree with the notion that America has to become > smaller > > > > to > > > > have a smaller less invasive government! It is a socialist mentality > to > > think that only government can grow America or help Americans. > > > > America achieved its success by people utilizing their abilities to > better > > themselves and their lives free of an overly burdening government. > > > > America > > > > was not built by grants, entitlements or anything big government can > > possibly provide. Instead our constitution provides a framework > outlining > > government limitations, so as to prevent government to ever be able to > > control the people it governs. The people of the republic govern not > the > > other way around. > > > > Countless Americans have given their lives to protect the very freedom > big > > government takes away. Government run health care just happens to be > the > > straw that broke the camel's back and Americans are saying enough is > > > > enough > > > > in overwhelming numbers. > > > > > > Brad > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > > Behalf Of Jack Unger > > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:48 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in > regulation > > > > of > > > > net-neutrality > > > > Brad, > > > > There is really only one way to get a smaller government without > > throwing society into total disarray. That method is to have a smaller > > country, in other words, a lower level of population. With an > exploding > > population there is just no way that I can see to get a smaller > > > > government. > > > > > > If only reclaiming our country for working people was as easy as > voting > > the incumbents out that would be GREAT but unfortunately it's not that > > simple. Voting the incumbents out won't result in government doing a > > better job for working people because the real influence is the > > big-corporation money that finances the election campaigns for each > new > > crop of political nominees. The big-money lobbyists remain when each > old > > group of politicians is voted out so the big-money corporation's power > > actually becomes greater and greater as time goes on. > > > > The solution that I propose is equal public financing for ALL > political > > campaigns. Each nominee (and incumbent) would receive an equal number > of > > taxpayer dollars to run their campaign. This will help ALL candidates > > remember who they are supposed to be working for (working-class > > taxpayers, not large corporations). > > > > As to regaining some influence for working people with regard to > banks, > > I'd recommend that everyone put their money in a local credit union or > > small local community bank. My money has been kept in a local > community > > credit union for over 20 years and I feel good about it being there. > > It's contributing to the community instead of being used in an > > irresponsible fashion and/or used against the best interests of the > > community. > > > > Best, > > jack > > > > > > Brad Belton wrote: > > > > > > The fundamental difference that Jack fails to recognize is if a bank > (or > > organization other than the government) does treat you unfairly you > have > > recourse. If your own government treats you unfairly, you have little > to > > > > > > no > > > > > > recourse. > > > > > > > > Yes, we can all only hope the majority of Americans will continue to > stand > > up and say no more to big government. A smaller less intrusive > government > > is what America needs. In order to achieve this we have to remove the > > career politicians from office that have clearly lost touch with the > > > > > > people > > > > > > that elected them. > > > > > > > > Brad > > > > > > > > > > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > > Behalf Of Jack Unger > > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:01 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in > regulation > > > > > > of > > > > > > net-neutrality > > > > > > > > So, now that government has been drowned, the huge banks, insurance > > companies, telecoms can do whatever they want to you whenever they > want to > > do it. > > > > BWaaaah, haaa, haaaa, haaa, haaaaggggh.... > > > > > > Frank Crawford wrote: > > > > YES > > > > Jack Unger wrote: > > > > > > I trust that government will be able to keep up just fine. Do you > > support the alternative of making government so small that you can > drown > > it in a bathtub? > > > > Glenn Kelley wrote: > > > > > > > > Title II of the Communications Act-the section that regulates > > telecommunications common carriers is now being considered by the FCC > to > > oversee broadband. FCC Commissioner Robert M. McDowell during a talk > he > > gave to the Free State Foundation asked: (see First Do No Harm: A > > > > > > broadband > > > > > > plan for Amercia) > > "Exactly what kind of companies might get tangled up into this > regulatory > > Rubik's Cube?.Any Internet company that offers a voice application?" . > > > > > > "With > > > > > > this newfound authority, why stop at voice apps? Isn't voice just > another > > type of data app? As the distinction between network operators and > > application providers continues to blur at an eye-popping rate, how > will > > > > > > the > > > > > > government be able to keep up?" > > > > > > Much more on the blog: www.HostMedic.com --> > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______ > > > > > > > > _________ > > Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com > > Email: gl...@hostmedic.com > > Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > > > > > > > ---- > > WISPA Wants You! 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