I guess I might miss something! It is human nature to love DRAMA! Just thought It was getting a bit heated...Everyone seems to be amongst friends here.That's the best part.I'm in it for the long haul and have been for quite some time.I'm anxious to meet many on the list as we are all in this for many reasons,but Americans benefit from our existence.It's a challenge and nothing but the best job I can think of.I refuse to stand behind a machine and push buttons all day,And many "jobs" don't even come close to stimulating a single cell.Just want to say...keep up the good work and keep it friendly at the same time.Just remember most will likely end up at a convention with one another drinking someones fridge full of beer:) and it should be a good time!
--- On Fri, 2/5/10, Mike <m...@aweiowa.com> wrote: From: Mike <m...@aweiowa.com> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation ofnet-neutrality To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 11:21 PM At least in Outlook -- Tools/Rules and Alerts/New Rule Create a new rule to send messages with this subject to a junk folder. Don't become a slave to your email. If you feel overwhelmed by volume on a certain subject just filter them. It is nice to have you on the list. I have learned bunches here too. Small business owners generally become quite passionate at times. Overworked, ever vigilant WISP operators are no exception. Mike -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jason bailey Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation ofnet-neutrality As a very small,but growing operator I have been following this list for quite some time.I rarely poke my nose in as I enjoy the VERY intelligent conversation that this list generates.I sometimes have to read 80 or more messages when I get through putting in 110% and picking up my Three kids after school as a single Dad and learn an unimaginable amount every day .I am saddened by the level that some will take a conversation to.I hope to see a political conversation as intense as this move elsewhere,But hey,I'm just a single person,not the whole group.I can't learn anything about the technical aspect of a WISP filtering the massive amount of email this topic has generated.If i'm out of line,someone tell me. Regards ,Jason Sent From My PrimeCo Phone --- On Fri, 2/5/10, MDK <rea...@muddyfrogwater.us> wrote: From: MDK <rea...@muddyfrogwater.us> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 10:44 PM There's never a NEED to accumulate power... ever. But, the greed and lust for more power is as old as politics itself. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jack Unger" <jun...@ask-wi.com> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:21 PM To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation ofnet-neutrality> C'mon Jeff. There is NO NEED to accumulate power if you don't have > excess people. > > jack > > > Jeff Broadwick wrote: >> C'mon Jack, war is about trying to accumulate power, not get rid of >> excess >> people. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Jeff >> >> >> Jeff Broadwick >> ImageStream >> 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) >> +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) >> >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Jack Unger >> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:35 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation >> of >> net-neutrality >> >> >> Your statement is true when there is NOT enough food, clothing or shelter >> for everybody. >> >> But when there IS enough food, clothing and shelter for everybody, there >> is >> no need for war in order to achieve temporary "peace". >> >> This is why overpopulation is so bad - it creates war and makes real >> peace >> impossible. >> >> jack >> >> >> Brad Belton wrote: >> >> I would hope everyone would choose peace over war, but history has proven >> >> since the beginning of time that peace is achieved through war. >> >> >> >> Without a clearly defined "Winner" and "Loser" of war there will never be >> >> peace. >> >> >> >> >> >> Brad >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> >> Behalf Of Jack Unger >> >> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:28 AM >> >> To: WISPA General List >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation >> of >> >> net-neutrality >> >> >> >> Good points. >> >> >> >> When I have to choose between guns (war) or butter (peace), I'll choose >> >> the butter. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Robert West wrote: >> >> >> >> Life, Liberty, Property. >> >> >> >> Those were the basics that our government was formed to protect for us. >> >> >> >> For the common defense. >> >> >> >> It's now morphed from the government For the people into people For the >> >> government. As long as there are greedy people and the "what about mine?" >> >> thinkers, it won't get any better. >> >> >> >> As far as the current situation I think we should bring back the war tax >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> the draft. Now hear me out on this.... >> >> >> >> Are we at war? Where? I dunno, I'm not involved in any way, shape or >> >> >> >> form. >> >> >> >> Not directly anyhow. So it continues to zap the life out of this >> country. >> >> We've sanitized the citizenry out of war thus it can go on forever >> without >> >> much thought from those of us out here trying to live our lives and put >> >> >> >> food >> >> >> >> on the table and pay for the folly of it all. >> >> >> >> If we had a war tax and kids were being drafted, we'd all be involved, >> >> >> >> more >> >> >> >> commonly polarized and I guarantee you we wouldn't be pouring billions >> >> >> >> every >> >> >> >> month down useless well. >> >> >> >> Just my crazy thoughts. >> >> >> >> Bob- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> >> Behalf Of Brad Belton >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:38 PM >> >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> net-neutrality >> >> >> >> Jack, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Your police analogy is flawed. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> While it may take a larger police force to serve and insure the safety of >> >> >> >> a >> >> >> >> larger population it does not take a larger government body with >> increased >> >> invasion of those people's lives to govern effectively. A larger >> >> >> >> population >> >> >> >> requires no more or fewer laws than a small population as the laws are >> >> applied to all regardless of the size of population. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Agreed, the more people that "give up" and begin to simply depend on the >> >> government to provide for them the worse our country (or any country) >> >> becomes. This is exactly what big government wants; the people to become >> >> more dependent on them. The more dependent the people become on big >> >> government the more power they have over your life and the fewer freedoms >> >> you enjoy. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Why is it that so many small businesses exist? They exist partly because >> >> they can provide a better service/price than the "big guys". Wireless >> >> providers (other than those looking for a handout to keep their doors >> >> >> >> open) >> >> >> >> exist because the ILECs created an opportunity that we identified and >> >> >> >> acted >> >> >> >> upon. Capitalism and the market works well as long as big government >> >> >> >> stays >> >> >> >> out of it. I don't know about the rest here, but the more the big >> Telco's >> >> charge the better my business does! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What does America have to show for all the ridiculous recent spending? >> GM >> >> is still losing Billions of dollars, the big banks that were forced to >> >> >> >> take >> >> >> >> TARP haven't changed and many have repaid TARP to get the government out >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> their business. Is it such a bad thing to own and operate a small >> >> >> >> business >> >> >> >> with no long term debt? Sure, it makes getting the company off the >> ground >> >> that much harder, but it also creates a personal investment and >> commitment >> >> by the proprietor beyond any cash infusion. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Unemployment is nearing record highs as those (evil guys) that employ >> >> >> >> people >> >> >> >> weather the storm of uncertainty. People are losing their homes.many of >> >> which never should have been afforded the privilege of home ownership if >> >> >> >> it >> >> >> >> were not for big government forcing lenders to lend to unqualified >> buyers. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I can go on, but I get the feeling none of this makes any sense to you, >> >> Jack. That's fine with me.there are those that do and those that.I don't >> >> know.just coast along I guess? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Brad >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> >> Behalf Of Jack Unger >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:55 PM >> >> To: WISPA General List >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> net-neutrality >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Brad, >> >> >> >> You are misunderstanding or ignoring what I've been saying so let's try >> it >> >> again. >> >> >> >> When you have more people crowded into the same space your are going to >> >> >> >> have >> >> >> >> more frequent and more complex problems, including more fighting over the >> >> available amount of resources. Like it or not, attempting to maintain >> >> >> >> order >> >> >> >> is expected of government, be it large or small government. A two-person >> >> police force is expected to be able to maintain order in a tiny community >> >> and a 10,000 person police force is expected to be able to maintain order >> >> >> >> in >> >> >> >> a large city. A two-person (small government) police force will not be >> >> >> >> able >> >> >> >> to maintain order in New York or Los Angeles. "Socialism" (however that >> is >> >> defined or mis-defined) has nothing to do with this basic dynamic. >> >> >> >> America was built by hard-working people who thrived within the limited >> >> government framework that the founding fathers provided. Unfortunately >> >> today, 99% of the working people have lost or given up their power to >> >> >> >> govern >> >> >> >> their own lives. That power now resides in the hands of large >> corporations >> >> (banks, factory farms, seed companies, meat processors, insurance >> >> >> >> companies, >> >> >> >> news networks, incumbent telecom companies, etc.). Government has >> >> unfortunately become complicit in this dynamic. Today, big money >> >> corporations control government by "buying off" politicians through large >> >> campaign contributions. It doesn't matter if the politicians are >> Democrats >> >> or Republicans. Our big-money political system has corrupted virtually >> all >> >> of them. Until we fix our broken political system by removing the >> >> corrupting effect of big money, none of us will regain the freedoms that >> >> were fought for and won by our ancestors. >> >> >> >> jack >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Brad Belton wrote: >> >> >> >> Jack, >> >> >> >> I completely disagree with the notion that America has to become smaller >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> have a smaller less invasive government! It is a socialist mentality to >> >> think that only government can grow America or help Americans. >> >> >> >> America achieved its success by people utilizing their abilities to >> better >> >> themselves and their lives free of an overly burdening government. >> >> >> >> America >> >> >> >> was not built by grants, entitlements or anything big government can >> >> possibly provide. Instead our constitution provides a framework >> outlining >> >> government limitations, so as to prevent government to ever be able to >> >> control the people it governs. The people of the republic govern not the >> >> other way around. >> >> >> >> Countless Americans have given their lives to protect the very freedom >> big >> >> government takes away. Government run health care just happens to be the >> >> straw that broke the camel's back and Americans are saying enough is >> >> >> >> enough >> >> >> >> in overwhelming numbers. >> >> >> >> >> >> Brad >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> >> Behalf Of Jack Unger >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:48 PM >> >> To: WISPA General List >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> net-neutrality >> >> >> >> Brad, >> >> >> >> There is really only one way to get a smaller government without >> >> throwing society into total disarray. That method is to have a smaller >> >> country, in other words, a lower level of population. With an exploding >> >> population there is just no way that I can see to get a smaller >> >> >> >> government. >> >> >> >> >> >> If only reclaiming our country for working people was as easy as voting >> >> the incumbents out that would be GREAT but unfortunately it's not that >> >> simple. Voting the incumbents out won't result in government doing a >> >> better job for working people because the real influence is the >> >> big-corporation money that finances the election campaigns for each new >> >> crop of political nominees. The big-money lobbyists remain when each old >> >> group of politicians is voted out so the big-money corporation's power >> >> actually becomes greater and greater as time goes on. >> >> >> >> The solution that I propose is equal public financing for ALL political >> >> campaigns. Each nominee (and incumbent) would receive an equal number of >> >> taxpayer dollars to run their campaign. This will help ALL candidates >> >> remember who they are supposed to be working for (working-class >> >> taxpayers, not large corporations). >> >> >> >> As to regaining some influence for working people with regard to banks, >> >> I'd recommend that everyone put their money in a local credit union or >> >> small local community bank. My money has been kept in a local community >> >> credit union for over 20 years and I feel good about it being there. >> >> It's contributing to the community instead of being used in an >> >> irresponsible fashion and/or used against the best interests of the >> >> community. >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> jack >> >> >> >> >> >> Brad Belton wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> The fundamental difference that Jack fails to recognize is if a bank (or >> >> organization other than the government) does treat you unfairly you have >> >> recourse. If your own government treats you unfairly, you have little to >> >> >> >> >> >> no >> >> >> >> >> >> recourse. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes, we can all only hope the majority of Americans will continue to >> stand >> >> up and say no more to big government. A smaller less intrusive >> government >> >> is what America needs. In order to achieve this we have to remove the >> >> career politicians from office that have clearly lost touch with the >> >> >> >> >> >> people >> >> >> >> >> >> that elected them. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Brad >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> >> Behalf Of Jack Unger >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:01 PM >> >> To: WISPA General List >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation >> >> >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> >> >> net-neutrality >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> So, now that government has been drowned, the huge banks, insurance >> >> companies, telecoms can do whatever they want to you whenever they want >> to >> >> do it. >> >> >> >> BWaaaah, haaa, haaaa, haaa, haaaaggggh.... >> >> >> >> >> >> Frank Crawford wrote: >> >> >> >> YES >> >> >> >> Jack Unger wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> I trust that government will be able to keep up just fine. Do you >> >> support the alternative of making government so small that you can drown >> >> it in a bathtub? >> >> >> >> Glenn Kelley wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Title II of the Communications Act-the section that regulates >> >> telecommunications common carriers is now being considered by the FCC to >> >> oversee broadband. FCC Commissioner Robert M. McDowell during a talk he >> >> gave to the Free State Foundation asked: (see First Do No Harm: A >> >> >> >> >> >> broadband >> >> >> >> >> >> plan for Amercia) >> >> "Exactly what kind of companies might get tangled up into this regulatory >> >> Rubik's Cube?.Any Internet company that offers a voice application?" . >> >> >> >> >> >> "With >> >> >> >> >> >> this newfound authority, why stop at voice apps? Isn't voice just another >> >> type of data app? As the distinction between network operators and >> >> application providers continues to blur at an eye-popping rate, how will >> >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> government be able to keep up?" >> >> >> >> >> >> Much more on the blog: www.HostMedic.com --> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _________ >> >> Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com >> >> Email: gl...@hostmedic.com >> >> Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---- >> >> WISPA Wants You! 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